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>the brigading/shilling here on HN is becoming quite annoying Can you point to a single post where the top, say, 5 comments aren't completely negative toward crypto as a whole? They typically mention gambling, fraud, ponzi schemes and (like yours) Mt Gox, in a rant that isn't specifically tied to the post at hand. Look at the top comments on this article: >Investing in crypto is like a gambling addiction >cryptocurre…
Many posts about Ethereum and ICOs getting upvoted quickly to the front page recently. And reading them I have gotten impression of a lot of people invested in these technologies trying to irrationally argue for them. Everybody skeptical does not understand the potential of smart contracts which are just like internet in the 80s/early 90s and will take over the world. I think skeptical replies are a natural push back…
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It's a hyperponzi. A ponzi combinator. As much as I find the actual technical details of blockchain technology interesting (it's basically nerd crack) - the severe lack of utility to general society and the constant price bubbles are really astounding. There are multiple levels of bubbles... the short term ethereum-led ICO bubble we are currently in, which is kind of overlaid on top of the long term bubble of cryptoc…
I think the blind spot in your analysis is that you assume the rest of the financial industry is not like this. Cryptocurrencies are just doing rapidly what other stores of value did gradually over the course of centuries. Gold for example gets almost all of its value from speculative interest. This extends to some degree to the collector art and rare wine markets as well. I also think you're failing to appreciate th…
This is one of the greatest use of cryptocurrency imo. If you go back even a few years ago, formerly stable countries like Cyprus were raiding bank accounts to make up for their shortfall. As costs rise, and there are less and less people of working age paying into the system, governments will become more coercive in order to fund healthcare and benefits for the largest voting block. Crypto is a storage of wealth and a way to protect yourself from government expropriation.
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If I earned 7 figure salary, I would do the job for about 5 years and then retire. With savings after 5 years of 7 figure salary you should be able create a comfortable passive income. Buy couple real estate properties and rent them out, invest remainder in blue chip equities and collect dividends. And you never need to work again.
I agree with you. However, wouldn't somebody who makes say 9$ an hour have the same thoughts about developer salaries? > If I made 200k a year, I would work for about 5 years and then retire. I mean it's possible if you save a ton and live very cheaply, like somebody who today makes 9$/hour might be used to doing. People always want more. Though, there is a sweet spot (~90k/year?) where more money means less and less…
So yes you make 200k (before taxes) but you spend 35-40k per year on rent plus bills (water, electricity, council tax, internet etc).
Throw in some social life and drinks once or twice a week, car plus insurance, supporting family financially.
So let's say after all that you end up saving 40k per year net. Times 5 is 200k. That is not enough to retire.
Now do the math with 1 million salary (the lowest possible 7 figure). Same living standard. After 5 years you can save let's say 1.5-2 million (I didn't do the math so if I am way off please correct me).
Now that is an amount you can retire on:
1) Buy two properties for 500k (live in one, rent the other one)
2) Invest 1 million in blue chip equities, this will pay you around 35k per year in dividends
3) You still have a nice sum of cash left on top of that
So you can see that 90k per year is definitely not a sweet spot. There are still massive improvements if you can make 200k, 400k, 800k and so on.
Yes perhaps going from 35k to 90k will improve your living standard much more drastically than going from 90k to 200k. So you could argue that there are diminishing returns.
But you are ignoring the fact that the higher you go the sooner you gain complete financial freedom when you can retire and live completely free.
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> who benefits from encryption that even law enforcement cannot break? People who live in countries with regressive regimes where law enforcement can be legitimately dangerous?
It's true that bitcoin might be useful in very unstable countries (venezuela comes to mind) when you can't really trust fiat and getting access to dollars or other foreign currencies is trickier. It's still only really useful for relatively rich people who want to get money out or in, I doubt the average Venezuelian bothers with Bitcoin. And Bitcoin requires a widely available "free" internet connection to work corre…
Well here is your mistake. Why would you ever trust a government, or anyone for that matter? Sure, we hope that people are good, but 99% of people operate based on an incentive structure. The incentives in bitcoin for the miners and the participants are well defined.
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#115Uh, isn't it also illegal to buy unlicensed securities? Couldn't the SEC also prosecute individuals who bought into obvious scams as unaccredited investors? IANAL, but securities fraud is securities fraud. Why even take the risk? Why, especially now, announce to the world that you're taking the risk like in the article?
unaccredited investors, oh my! When you brush your teeth do you make sure you have government authorization to do so? Also, I hope the toothbrush and the toothpaste were OKed by a government bureaucrat, because thinking for yourself is hard!
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I invested when BTC was around 1100-1200, don't remember exactly. It then fell bellow 1000 to low 900s (quite quickly) and I panic sold. It was sometimes last year before it went to rise to almost 3000. I guess I am not a type of person who can take the stress of investing in something so volatile. I am trying to live a fiscally responsible and frugal life and this was probably the riskiest investment I have ever mad…
I'm glad to hear you only invested a small amount. Hopefully you can just take it as a life lesson and not be filled too much with regret. I've certainly made mistakes that have cost me money in the past. A few examples: dropping out of school (and later returning years later once tuition had tripled), missteps in my career, a period of unemployment exacerbating my credit card debt, etc. It is probably best to wait u…
So I felt sad for a while but I have forgotten about it relatively soon. And it was a good lesson to learn.
I am planning to probably buy a property either end of this year or early next year so I am nearly there. My saving discipline will soon pay off!
Yes I think if you stop throwing $100 here and there at crypto, over 2-3 years that will translate into a nice lump sum of cash. Can be a basis for a deposit to buy a house.
With games, I'd suggest buying games which you'll be able to play for a long time so you minimize these costs. For example, I bought Starcraft 2 for £35 and you can play that game for years.
It was a deal including all 3 single player campaigns which are fun and then there is a massive multiplayer world where you can incrementally improve and challenge yourself playing tougher and tougher opponents.
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That's a very one-dimensional view of things. Blockchain technology carries with it the possibility to change how we think about and use money. Bitcoin is a zero-trust system that still manages to hold $41 billion dollar in value. However, I agree that almost all ICOs are cash-grabs. In my opinion we already have coins for all verticals that matter.
>Blockchain technology carries with it the possibility to change how we think about and use money. That's the type of fluff I keep hearing coming from the bitcoin enthusiasts but I have yet to read a compelling argument about what it'll enable and how exactly. "Bitcoin will kill the banks", "bitcoin will prevent the evil government from stealing your money", "bitcoin will cure cancer and polio". How it'll do any of t…
What happened to the outrage at the bailouts in the 2008 crisis? How have we completely forgotten that? Opinions differ as to the underlying causes of the 2008 crisis: was it reckless bankers and insurers, was it criminal bankers and insurers, was it the repeal of Glass-Steagall? Many people, myself included, place the blame squarely in the hands of central bankers. The crisis was created by them, and then glossed over by them by throwing money at the people who took the most advantage of their manipulations.
The problem is not that someone else should be in charge of central banking, it's that _nobody_ should be in charge of central banking -- the central banking, really, and the notion of a "lender of last resort" should simply not exist. Part and parcel of that is that we need a new currency -- one that cannot be created on a whim based on some "understanding" of macroeconomics that is completely incorrect. The goal here is so absurdly ambitious that people have stopped talking about it -- replacing Visa is nothing; Visa can exist and spend Bitcoins, just as Visa can (and does) exist and spend Euros and Yen and whatever the hell you want. But Bitcoin is the first serious attempt to make a currency that is independent of central bank manipulation (second, I guess, if you count gold).
> There aren't many legit use cases where bitcoin beats fiat nowadays
So here's the use case -- the US government cannot literally quadruple the amount of bitcoins in existence in order to pay off a bunch of bankers who lost their shirts, and a bunch of auto manufacturers that lost their ability to compete. I get it, this is not going to make it easier to buy your coffee, or whatever "mainstream" means to you. And there's a good chance that Bitcoin will not topple the Federal Reserve or the European Central Bank, or whatever, but it's an avenue to start opting out of a financial system that is increasingly dependent on massive government actions, and supporting the massive covert and overt international economic warfare being waged in our name, supporting the contemptible level of corporate welfare that threatens to undermine those aspects of our government that are essential to a free society, and resisting the attempts to use inflation as a hidden form of super-duper-regressive taxation to punish those who try to save money.
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#118Uh, isn't it also illegal to buy unlicensed securities? Couldn't the SEC also prosecute individuals who bought into obvious scams as unaccredited investors? IANAL, but securities fraud is securities fraud. Why even take the risk? Why, especially now, announce to the world that you're taking the risk like in the article?
>unaccredited investors unaccredited investors, oh my! When you brush your teeth do you make sure you have government authorization to do so? Also, I hope the toothbrush and the toothpaste were OKed by a government bureaucrat, because thinking for yourself is hard!
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#119Can someone here please be a devil's advocate and convince me to invest in ICOs?
ICO's like with most new tech are going to be plagued with get rich quick schemes, and there's a lot of FUD going on, but the concept it's great. When you have a token, in a given platform, you align the incentives of the people using that. It encourages people that are part of the network to create value for it, since it also impacts positively on their money.
Take decentralized storage platforms for example, Storj, FileCoin, Swarm, IPFS. It's a software that you install in your computer, you asign how much disk space you are willing to contribute, and in return it pays you in that network token. People that wants to save their info on the platform, have to use the same token.
I've been part of the bitcoin economy since 2013 and i've seen a lot of shitty and awesome projects alike. Right now is the wild west, because since there is no legal framework, the regulation has to be as well self created by the ecosystem. So , I think in around a year or two, we'll start seeing a much better ecosystem, with more knowledge, and less scams. It just takes time.
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#120It's hard not to think of tulips at this stage
Fine- Let's just call them "tulips" so we can all go home and enjoy the sunny weather today.