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Ugh, now I am starting to understand those men that are dropping out of society - one such a claim and they are done; it must be dire if they decided it's better to minimize risk and segregate from society... We all are probably going to wear mini cameras/mics and record every single moment of our lives for protection, and won't trust a single human being. Scary...
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> Why do people not see > men as victims? Why do you think they don't?
You wrote elsewhere on this thread: > This has the side-effect that real victims are put off from filing charges, which is generally thought to be not a good thing. Well, this man appears to be a victim who is filing charges. You seem not to consider him a real victim. Don't we want victims such as him to defend themselves? As I understand your quote, you can answer your question better than I can: why didn't you con…
> You seem not to consider
> him a real victim
This world is getting so fucked up. We can't crucify people for "hitting on" or other somewhat tame behavior because we have nothing left to throw at the real offenders. Conversely, people benefit on both sides of the equation; using sex to their advantage or weaponizing allegations like this. Sexual assualt is REAL and should be punished. We need to focus on a balance between being human and being a predator. People…
I repeat: you didn't read the article.
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Do you believe that the harm of being raped is about equal to the harm of a false conviction for rape? I'd actually tend to "yes", but it's probably impossible to answer. People react very different, and the prevalence of suicide is actually higher among rape victims than for people sentenced to long prison sentences. But the real problem is: The penalty in your comparison would be for rape, whereas the accusation wa…
Without belittling the severity of rape, yes I believe it can actually be quite more harmful/destructive. Falsely accused rarely get rehabilitated even when it turns out they had been innocent, their career, their reputation, their social circles, it will be all ruined and with that comes distress of the mind. People are quick to throw around guilt, once that's in the room your reputation will be sullied forever as e…
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A false accusation is different from an accusation that wasn't provable. There have been many cases of false accusations in which it was proven that the accuser was intentionally lying in order to get revenge or reap some reward. There have even been cases in which the accuser later admits to having lied, but with zero legal consequences.
> There have even been cases in which the accuser later admits "admits" can be a loaded word. The accuser claims. Hopefully, their accusation was not the only evidence in the first place.
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Explain why. Be specific. I think the misunderstanding is that you think I'm saying insurance claims are equal in scope to sexual assault. That is (TBH) ridiculous. To the extent of deliberate blindness. What I'm actually doing is making a statement about the fraudsters. Not the victims. FALSE sexual assault charges do not involve sexual assault. False sexual assault charges do not have real victims . So false sexual…
I think it's probably easiest to ignore the inchoate name calling and focus on where we can agree, specifically: > You have an implicit claim > that sexual assault is > somehow magical, and > deserving of different > standards than insurance > fraud Yes I do. Specifically I believe sexual assaults are under-reported, and that more assaults happen because they're under-reported. Taking those back-to-front, an insuranc…
Because it didn't happen. But you're free to feel superior to me based on lies about what I said.
> Specifically I believe sexual assaults are under-reported,
Yes... look at the numbers from Statistics Canada for one. In interviews, people claim sexual assault rates that are about 10x the rate of police reports.
Why are those crimes not reported? Statistics Canada asked... the #1 answer is "because the assault was too minor to bother with".
i.e. grabbing an ass in a bar is legally sexual assault. But few people are going to file a police report about it.
> and that more assaults happen because they're under-reported.
No such evidence exists.
There is evidence that there are massive programs to encourage people to report sexual assault. All such programs have not increased the reporting rate to police.
Which makes it look like the rate of police reports of serious crimes is pretty close to the real rate of serious crimes.
This world is getting so fucked up. We can't crucify people for "hitting on" or other somewhat tame behavior because we have nothing left to throw at the real offenders. Conversely, people benefit on both sides of the equation; using sex to their advantage or weaponizing allegations like this. Sexual assualt is REAL and should be punished. We need to focus on a balance between being human and being a predator. People…
False accusations should be punished with the same penalty as the accuser tried to put upon the innocent. Until that happens, people will see no reason to stop false accusations that they think will help them.
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Explain why. Be specific. I think the misunderstanding is that you think I'm saying insurance claims are equal in scope to sexual assault. That is (TBH) ridiculous. To the extent of deliberate blindness. What I'm actually doing is making a statement about the fraudsters. Not the victims. FALSE sexual assault charges do not involve sexual assault. False sexual assault charges do not have real victims . So false sexual…
The issue that you're missing is that "sexual assault fraud" can be claimed in cases where there is actual sexual assault, but it is a he-said/she-said situation. That is where the "chilling-effect" comes in. Sexual assault cases are many times he-said/she-said situations, so any victim reporting runs the risk of getting accused of (and needing to defend themselves from) "sexual assault fraud" in addition to trying t…
For the crime of perjury to be proven, you also need more. Substantive proof of lying, not just 'the guy did not get convicted'.
I don't think there is a chilling effect when you use a standard of proof to admit a claim of fraud.
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The claim was a descriptive one: "This policy has this bad side effect." You seem to have taken it as a prescriptive one: "We should do the exact opposite of this policy, as hard as we can."
> The claim was a descriptive one: "This policy has this bad side effect." That claim is provably false. I explained why, using examples. > You seem to have taken it as a prescriptive one: "We should do the exact opposite of this policy, as hard as we can." That cannot possibly be concluded from what I said. My claim is that when it's proven that people lie (i.e. fraudster, as I said), ignoring those lies is corrupti…
> That claim is provably false. I explained why, using examples.
No you didn't. You gave some examples where the proposed policy would not have the side effect. You didn't show that it would never have the side effect.
> That cannot possibly be concluded from what I said.
"The exact opposite of this policy", in context, would be letting people off for false accusations. Why were you talking about "the idea that those people should be let off" if you agree that peteretep never suggested letting people off?