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Re: Tell HN: Outsourcing a Perspective from an Indian CS Student

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Post by amk » Sat, Jul 03, 2010, 6:21 AM UTC

Utter nonsense. A smart Indian CS student would never sell his soul to an outsourcing company like Wipro, Infosys and TCS. They are mass recruiters who hire people to show more headcount. Most of their so called "developers" are very poor in programming aptitude.

The smartest Indian programmers either to go abroad for further studies and work there, or work in product development companies at home in India.

To the Author of this post: If you are a smart Indian student, STAY AWAY from Wipro, Infosys, TCS. It may be the best career move you will ever make. Trust me.

PS: Yes, I am a Indian CS graduate. I graduated a year ago.

Re: Tell HN: Outsourcing a Perspective from an Indian CS Student

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Post by jamram82 » Sat, Jul 03, 2010, 9:28 AM UTC

To an Indian from a fellow Indian,

The companies you have quoted are 1. In pure service delivery (aka consulting line of business) 2. Run extra-ordinarily large project teams (100+ consultants) 3. Deal with business or enterprise software.

It is unfair to expect them to deliver any quality line of work when organizations deals with even 1 of 3. Your perception of Top big 5 consulting firms (for that matter..any country) delivering quality output might be misplaced if you haven't seen the quality of work at hackathons, startups. Outsourcing works for huge organizations which need to maintain enterprise systems running on legacy platform. It is recognized by most small business owners everywhere its just ain't their cup of tea. Small business projects runs on talent and execution. Not on mythical manpower or cost per hour rate.

I would suggest you to do an internship at SV,Colorado,Boston,NY and get involved in a startup or any non-business software company. It might open up another world perspective.

Re: Tell HN: Outsourcing a Perspective from an Indian CS Student

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Post by kranner » Sun, Jul 04, 2010, 12:15 PM UTC

mistermann wrote: post #7

All I know hands on about outsourcing is trying a few jobs on rentacoder, and in my experience the negative perception of Indian programmers is justified. The same logic stated by the OP (the bad programmers end up on rentacoder sites) applies to other countries as well, yet I haven't had nearly the problem with eastern European programmers. My speculation, based purely on my limited experiences, is that the differen…

"people of Indian descent ... have a rather more flexible view of reality"?

That is sugar-coating a pretty strong generalization. Perhaps if it were said straight it would be much more obviously ridiculous.

Best regards from India.

edit: I realize that this response is snarky. I am just astonished that people can say something like this in a public forum like HN. It is no better than saying "Chinese people can't drive".

If we're going to have a reasonable discussion about outsourcing and sort out what's what, can we please be careful not to say things like "Americans are fat and promiscuous" and "Indians are liars, idiots or both", regardless of whatever opinions we may hold privately?