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Convoy raises $62M from Bill Gates and other luminaries to transform trucking

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Next up, they will hit up on the idea of dedicated roads for truck convoys; also, a single engine to pull them all; and finally, the creation of roads with steel rails to put the trucks on.

I would agree, but I think the problem with trains is you have to load and unload the containers onto railcars. I've seen UPS and FedEx semis pulling 3 short trailers on interstates. I assume they're only limited by current regulations on weight and length.

Triple trailers are only legal in some states and turnpikes.

Re: Convoy raises $62M from Bill Gates and other luminaries to transform trucking

#82
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I used to work for startup called OpenMile in 2012. We were trying to do pretty much the exact same thing. We might have been too early, but it was hard. We had the tech, but the trucker and other brokers were not very tech savvy. The margins were low and there was too much hand holding. Best of luck to them.

I used to work at a startup called Trusker doing the same thing, I can't give your comment enough up votes on 1. not very tech savvy, 2. margins were low, 3. too much hand holding and I would add 4. a 1200 mile trip between commercial locations with weird hours and instructions is nothing like the intracity taxi markets.

Re: Convoy raises $62M from Bill Gates and other luminaries to transform trucking

#83

YC companies beware. YC "Continuity" will come talk to you to learn the ins and outs of your business and then go fund a non-YC competitor. The whole idea of the fund was to use it to support YC companies at the next stage but now they're funding companies like Convoy that compete with YC companies like Flexport, while using their access to the YC businesses to do diligence. That's fine, normal investor behavior, but…

Flexport and Convoy are completely different businesses. Did this actually happen to you or are you just making up drama?

Re: Convoy raises $62M from Bill Gates and other luminaries to transform trucking

#84
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Yes, similar systems do exist. My team made one of them: https://cargofone.com/en/ In some ways, it's more challenging than building "an Uber", once you get into different cargo and body types, document management, insurance, etc. We launched in Russia first, and not being able to do electronic signatures added a set of challenges. In any event, glad these investments are happening. Trucking is badly broken, especial…

> Trucking is badly broken, especially in the US. why do you say that?

I owned a trucking company and my family owned a freight brokerage business.

Trucking is a hard lifestyle, especially over the road. The job is physically demanding and there are a lot of ways to do it wrong.

Owner / operators and small trucking companies are, in some cases, like sharecropping. You don't make premium money, that's taken off the top through a series of intermediaries / brokers. You have to buy sub par equipment, because it's cheaper. You can't pay your drivers as well and often times, you do so in cash, which eventually bites you. And to boot, the business is very capital intensive. If your customer pays you in 30 days, and you run coast to coast, it could costs you 1100 gallons a week (3000 per week) and you don't get paid for 5 weeks (15000). Add to that cost of maintenance, insurance (650-800 per month - physical damage, liability and cargo), truck and trailer payment ($2000 per month for something newer, but not new, that you wouldn't mind living in or), you have to eat, your cell phone, oil changes ($150 per 15-25k miles) and the 1.25-1.35 per mile you earn, doesn't go all that far. But don't worry, if you need an advance on your shipments pay, for fuel, someone will give you up to 50-60% of your cash, maybe even a little more, for 1-2% or more of all the money you're due. And if you want to get paid faster than 30 days, you can get paid a day or 2 after you deliver and turn in the paperwork, for another 1-2% of the total amount you are due.

One truck shops or small companies can't service the needs of most shippers, so shippers choose big trucking companies or 3pls to manage their transportation. By the time a little guy touches a Bill of Lading / rate confirmation, the shipment can be double or triple brokered, each hand passing paper taking 10% off the top.

On top of that, there's huge theft. Gangs steal tires, cargo, trucks and drivers sometimes choose to transport drugs along with whatever you're asking them to haul...if you are in the business long enough, the stories are epic.

Re: Convoy raises $62M from Bill Gates and other luminaries to transform trucking

#85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Trucking is badly broken, especially in the US. I'd like to see this supported, particularly the "especially" part, given the extraordinary scale of hauling going on in the US via trucking. The economic facts on the ground in the US overwhelmingly disagree with you. If it's so broken, and the US economy relies so much on it, how is the US GDP per capita so high? Both can't be true. It's either functioning well, lea…

I would give another example: the US government subsidizes trucking (especially long distance trucking) to a much greater degree than freight railroads through building and maintaining highways. All things being equal the marginal cost of shipping via freight rail should be lower given its higher fuel efficiency.

Trucks operators pay a lot of road taxes.

Re: Convoy raises $62M from Bill Gates and other luminaries to transform trucking

#86
post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would give another example: the US government subsidizes trucking (especially long distance trucking) to a much greater degree than freight railroads through building and maintaining highways. All things being equal the marginal cost of shipping via freight rail should be lower given its higher fuel efficiency.

Trucks operators pay a lot of road taxes.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11134.pdf

See the table on page 22. When you add together extra road maintenance, accidents, particulate & NO emissions, congestion and subtract the taxes and fees you end up with a cost to society of $55 per million ton-mile for trucking and $9 for rail.

Re: Convoy raises $62M from Bill Gates and other luminaries to transform trucking

#87

Next up, they will hit up on the idea of dedicated roads for truck convoys; also, a single engine to pull them all; and finally, the creation of roads with steel rails to put the trucks on.

Trains are very efficient when you need to move huge volumes between industrial centers, ports, metropolises etc. but we still need trucks for the end mile or else good luck laying tracks to every country shop out there.

Re: Convoy raises $62M from Bill Gates and other luminaries to transform trucking

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post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trucks operators pay a lot of road taxes.

http://www.gao.gov/new.items/d11134.pdf See the table on page 22. When you add together extra road maintenance, accidents, particulate & NO emissions, congestion and subtract the taxes and fees you end up with a cost to society of $55 per million ton-mile for trucking and $9 for rail.

Only low value, commodity items are shipped via rail however.

Re: Convoy raises $62M from Bill Gates and other luminaries to transform trucking

#90
post #29

Yes, similar systems do exist. My team made one of them: https://cargofone.com/en/ In some ways, it's more challenging than building "an Uber", once you get into different cargo and body types, document management, insurance, etc. We launched in Russia first, and not being able to do electronic signatures added a set of challenges. In any event, glad these investments are happening. Trucking is badly broken, especial…

> Trucking is badly broken, especially in the US. I'd like to see this supported, particularly the "especially" part, given the extraordinary scale of hauling going on in the US via trucking. The economic facts on the ground in the US overwhelmingly disagree with you. If it's so broken, and the US economy relies so much on it, how is the US GDP per capita so high? Both can't be true. It's either functioning well, lea…

You may be surprised, but:

"There are also more trucks operating in Europe than there are in the United States, with 63 trucks per 1,000 people in the EU — compared to only 21 trucks per 1,000 people in the United States." [1]

The USA uses long distance rail freight far more than Europe, where the railways are full (i.e. at capacity) with passenger rail. That's in spite of much stricter controls on driving time.

(I think there's also a fair amount of water transport in Europe. When I moved house from England to Denmark, my belongings were transported on a ship across the North Sea.)

[1] https://www.theglobalist.com/america-and-europe-keep-on-truc...

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