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Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by sctb »

philtar wrote: post #121
SwellJoe wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not so much that I couldn't have figured it out (though I seem to recall it was not immediately obvious how to do anything, to me), rather it changed my selected applications. I'd set it up the way I liked it, with software I was familiar with and happy with...and an OS update removed that configuration and pointed to Paint 3D instead, an application I hadn't asked for, and seemingly could not uninstall (at leas…

Your complaints are stupid. You complained that cropping and resizing were difficult. When confronted by the fact that they weren't, you went to "oh it changed the defaults." Then you complain about being unable to Uninstaller it when it's uninstall process is like literally every other application. You just want to complain. Your issues are not valid and you are just spreading FUD

We'll ban this account if you won't stop violating the guidelines with personal attacks and name calling.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by SwellJoe »

silassales wrote: post #229
SwellJoe wrote: post #195

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What are you trying to achieve here? What would you like me to say?

He "just wants to complain".

Complaining is fine. I merely asked for something actionable in his complaints. I seemed to have upset him, so I asked what he'd like me to do.

I provided, I think, actionable information in my complaint above (that's not to suggest that Microsoft reads or cares what I think about Paint 3D, but other developers are here, and if it prevents even one from making an application that changes someone's defaults without permission or makes an application that can't be uninstalled using the usual channels, then I would consider my complaint productive).

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by 5ilv3r »

ShabbosGoy wrote: post #282
cbraz wrote: post #260

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Any company can install a reporting agent on their desktops and that will collect basic information like what .exe files have been executed. Once a portable app shows up in the reports you are simply fired by blatant disregard for the rules and procedures you agreed to when signing your contract. Finance is a heavily regulated environment and you can't get away with things that would be excusable in other places.

> Once a portable app shows up in the reports you are simply fired by blatant disregard for the rules and procedures you agreed to when signing your contract. That seems to be a rather extreme clause; I doubt that a bank would care if a developer installed something that was not whitelisted. It would be a different story if the developer linked against code whose source was not easily attributable.

Why do you doubt that? Is it unreasonable? Students are subject to the same restrictions now.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by cjsuk »

frik wrote: post #281
cjsuk wrote: post #105

Im beginning to think that Microsoft's new strategy is to optimistically break all their products by adding the store front and telemetry to them. Neither of which are needed or wanted in the majority of cases.

True, I am beginning to think their CEO drives the company against the wall. One PR disaster and hostile behavior after another.

Just like the last CEO :)

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by honestlyreally »

phkahler wrote: post #241
toxican wrote: post #210

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That's not really MS's fault then, is it? If IT doesn't want you installing apps, that's on them.

>> That's not really MS's fault then, is it? Yes it is. Paint has been a bundled app for decades and they have decided not to include it any more. "Available for free" is different than "comes included". Also, this whole thing looks like a big advertisement for their new Paint3D or whatever it is. They promote it in the blog and point out that it has a lot of features Paint has, and oh by the way it's free in the sto…

I think 90% of people here wouldn't comment on this story had they actually tried paint3d.

It's just a mspaint with an updated layout and more features. Y'all are arguing about msoffice 2007 vs 2010.

I never downloaded it, is just bundled like every other utility into insider versions of windows10, its certainly superior to paint.

Almost a bit worrying how fearful of change some hn people are.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by thaumasiotes »

pluma wrote: post #119
Schlaefer wrote: post #113

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> opening Paint, and pasting from the clipboard! That's not a solution that will be available on a machine without Paint. You will have Paint 3D and the first three buttons you see after opening the app are "New", "Open" and "Paste" (with a clipboard icon(!)).

Somewhat off-topic, but I just realized (maybe because I'm a non-native speaker and barely ever use applications which have icons for "copy" and "paste") that "clipboard" in software and physical "clipboards" are two entirely unrelated concepts for me. So much so that I only just remembered that the paste icon represents a physical clipboard rather than simply some abstract brown rectangle with an abstract white rect…

As an English speaker, the windows clipboard and a physical clipboard are entirely unrelated concepts for me too, much like how "right" (the opposite of left) and "right" (a legal entitlement) are unrelated concepts.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

sathackr wrote: post #244
orf wrote: post #232

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Yes, and the person I was replying to works in a place that seems to allow users to install random software from the internet. Thats 99.99% of your attack surface, why not restrict that? I'm not going to get into the details of sandboxing here, but needless to say managed applications running in a sandbox are a big improvement over unmanaged, unsigned applications running with admin rights.

Agreed. See comment to your sibling post. Sadly even now I run into large software companies that require users to have local admin privileges(and disable UAC) for their software to function correctly. And that's in the finance sector. I've been dealing mostly in the healthcare sector now and it's even worse. Particularly with imaging software vendors. I deal with some that still only support Windows XP.

I've seen companies still distributing software updates on floppies, for that $25k spin-a-ma-thingy in the corner with the proprietary interface to the Win98 PC, that keeps on working and delivering useful results.

A famous example from the car industry is McLaren having a stack of 25-year-old Compaq LTE 5280 laptops, running DOS, because that's the only machine that will run the proprietary CA card module for the diagnostic software for the McLaren F1 (106 cars produced '92-'98, 100 left today, each valued north of $10 million).

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by semi-extrinsic »

orf wrote: post #222
semi-extrinsic wrote: post #214

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But you can install any app from Sourceforge/ , it's just that MS has chosen not to offer their App Store in the Win10 Long Term Support Branch, which most enterprises use. So they've actually locked you out of the walled garden, which is a bit funny.

Sounds like a bad IT department that doesn't know how to configure group policy rather than anything to do with Microsoft to be honest.

No, IT department says "You guys are sensible, you can install whatever you like. But we'll keep you on Win10 LTSB, where MS promises to do less spying and break stuff less often." But Win10 LTSB doesn't have the MS App Store, so any app store exclusive software (mainly MS stuff) cannot be installed.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by orf »

semi-extrinsic wrote: post #309
orf wrote: post #222

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like a bad IT department that doesn't know how to configure group policy rather than anything to do with Microsoft to be honest.

No, IT department says "You guys are sensible, you can install whatever you like. But we'll keep you on Win10 LTSB, where MS promises to do less spying and break stuff less often." But Win10 LTSB doesn't have the MS App Store, so any app store exclusive software (mainly MS stuff) cannot be installed.

> You guys are sensible, you can install whatever you like

As I said, a bad IT department.

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