The first thing I thought of when I read "Hacking for Defense" was Defense against the Dark Arts from Harry Potter :)
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#12Hacking for defense? Is that like how the Department of Defense is now more like the Department of War? Will "preemptive hacking" happen a lot, too? EDIT: Also, this sounds a lot like propaganda to me: "Don't worry - just because we hack into other nations, doesn't mean we are the bad guys. We're the good guys hacking for our preemptive defense!" The US gov has had a hard time trying to lure talent for the NSA and su…
I'd like to politely disagree. I took the Hacking for Defense class at my school and had a completely different experience from the one you worry about. I think the most important misunderstanding to clear up is that the hacking in the class is not about hacking in the NSA/cybersecurity sense but rather the process of building something. Just like at a hackathon, students aren't all trying to hack the school's wifi etc., this class is about using a different approach to tackling military problems.
I've attached a link to our class website which contains a superset of the problems that my classmates and I tackled throughout the quarter. Hopefully you'll find it informative.
Class website: http://hacking4defense.stanford.edu/
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#13Israel already does this, both offense and defense. They have university initiatives that teach "cyber" (I hate that term). It would probably be difficult to get DoD brass to care about this. They're used to their defense products being physical items (warheads, tanks, drones, etc) that are harder to steal. Sure, you can steal the schematics and such, but then you can track purchases of restricted components and gues…
May I interest you in some cyber?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WY6KkRsS26M
(better if you understand German)
I think we are in the process of re-appropriating the word actually. One of my best purchases this year was a roll of yellow tape with 'cyber' printed in black. It presumably provides great cyber defense if one covers a computer with it. And I think that is fantastic social commentary on the word.
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#14The first thing I thought of when I read "Hacking for Defense" was Defense against the Dark Arts from Harry Potter :)
That was actually the title of the course at UVA: https://news.virginia.edu/content/students-learn-defensive-c...
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#15Hacking for defense? Is that like how the Department of Defense is now more like the Department of War? Will "preemptive hacking" happen a lot, too? EDIT: Also, this sounds a lot like propaganda to me: "Don't worry - just because we hack into other nations, doesn't mean we are the bad guys. We're the good guys hacking for our preemptive defense!" The US gov has had a hard time trying to lure talent for the NSA and su…
I'd like to politely disagree. I took the Hacking for Defense class at my school and had a completely different experience from the one you worry about. I think the most important misunderstanding to clear up is that the hacking in the class is not about hacking in the NSA/cybersecurity sense but rather the process of building something. Just like at a hackathon, students aren't all trying to hack the school's wifi e…
> this class is about using a different approach to tackling military problems.
The real problem is the amount of money and human life that are squandered on perceived "military problems" in the US. There are plenty of other hackathons to go to, IMO attending these events and accepting their material support is legitimizing US Department of Defense sponsored terrorism.
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#16What's the relevance of watered down SEAL training to H4D?
I'm guessing a photo op? I mean, if they were using the systems they were building (or building replacements for) in that training exercise, there could be some value. It's hard to build something well if you've never been a user or worked closely with the user to gather feedback.
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#17The first thing I thought of when I read "Hacking for Defense" was Defense against the Dark Arts from Harry Potter :)
Glad I wasn't the only one.
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#18Still to be charged at the full rate to the student, of course. This is just to get them started.
I have to say, out of all the things the DoD pays for with its massive budget, things like paying the NFL to fly F16s over stadiums, or TV ads, or sponsoring college courses are what really grinds my gears.
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#19this could be you
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