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Re: Ask HN: What are some indicators that a company will have an IPO or exit?

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There are signs a startup is doing well (e.g., growth), signs that an exit may be necessary (e.g., capital requirements beyond another VC round), signs an exit may be desired, signs a company is ready for an IPO, signs a company is preparing for an exit, signs that exit will be "successful", etc.

You'd have to chain all those together to answer your question as posed.

Generally, look for $100M+ revs, strong growth, institutional investors, and a reasonably-new CFO with a track record in sales/IPOs.

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Let's assume you're meaning an exit with a high multiple on returns, rather than an acquihire. In this case there are 2 models:

1) Game changing technology. These are very hard to measure, especially from the outside. You have to ask yourself, "Is this technology for real?" and "Could a large company monetize this?" This is what's happening in the autonomous car market. Let's step aside from this.

2) Companies that are growing well and fast on their own. In this case there are 3 metrics that matter: Revenue, Revenue Growth (new business minus churn) and Margins. Revenue is the base for valuation, and Growth and Margins determines the multiple. A weak rule of thumb that answers your question is that once a SaaS business hits 50mm in ARR, Growth Plus Margins should equal 50%. (It's ok to lose 10% of revenue in margins if you're growing 50% per year. If you're only growing 20% per year, you should have 30% profitability.) If it has this it's trending towards a positive exit.

Three caveats:

1) In case 2, if the company has external venture money, they are more likely to exit. (The VC funds need to return money to investors) If they are self-funded, they can stay private much longer.

2) Very few companies pull off the high multiple exit or IPO. It is hard to maintain growth, and hard to eventually turn a profit when you are growing fast.

3) There are a small subset of VC firms and specific VC partners with disproportionately outsized success. In the absence of other information, an investment by them is a good signal. (But smart money won't help a bad business)

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post #8

Companies shopping the business, or going public almost always hire a CFO. This is probably the top indicator IMHO.

This should be the top answer. Hiring an CFO, especially one with ties to investment bankers or who has taken other companies through exit.

Re: Ask HN: What are some indicators that a company will have an IPO or exit?

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post #9

Yes. When a company is 'operationally cash flow positive' which is to say they make enough money that not only does their bank account balance increase each quarter, but also their future spending to refresh their equipment and offices etc would not cause their cash balance to go below its current point. That company will have the opportunity to 'exit' (sell themselves to another company) or IPO. To quote the former…

Blekko exited by selling to IBM. That was a pure technology buy; the public search engine was killed.

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For an IPO, expect to see the company redoing the entire finance system - public companies have very strict reporting requirements that startups don't implement. Also, if they start withholding more information, there's a lot of things that you can't announce as a public company(or becoming one). Of course, that could be the opposite and the numbers are so bad they wont talk about them. One last thing is auditors cou…

I have been thinking about the GitLab IPO for a while now. GitLab is not in Canada and it might be years before they IPO, but one thing I dislike is the CSA's position that is more strict than SEC: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/social-me...

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post #17

For an IPO, expect to see the company redoing the entire finance system - public companies have very strict reporting requirements that startups don't implement. Also, if they start withholding more information, there's a lot of things that you can't announce as a public company(or becoming one). Of course, that could be the opposite and the numbers are so bad they wont talk about them. One last thing is auditors cou…

I have been thinking about the GitLab IPO for a while now. GitLab is not in Canada and it might be years before they IPO, but one thing I dislike is the CSA's position that is more strict than SEC: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/social-me...

We plan to IPO in 2020 https://about.gitlab.com/strategy/#sequence

Re: Ask HN: What are some indicators that a company will have an IPO or exit?

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I've been with two companies that have IPO'd recently - Twilio and Okta - but nothing here reflects those organizations.

If a company is heading towards an IPO, they MUST already have a CFO in place, probably 3-5 years in advance. While there are financial systems required, there are practices, reports, etc etc that require day after day, month after month, and quarter after quarter monitoring. It's not something that can just be "cleaned up" at the last minute.

Profitability is not a hard requirement but certainly helps.

The "magic number" used to be $100MM ARR but that doesn't appear to be the case anymore. I'd wager this is in part because of the increased private/VC valuations the last few years.

Strong growth is good. Strong growth among the more profitable product lines is even better. Margins should be high, potentially increasing as the cost of delivering the product goes down. If the team can put $X into Sales and Marketing and get 3-5X revenue out, that's a good sign.

If you can determine LTV, CAC, and churn, those are GREAT indicators but unless you're senior management, odds are you won't see those.

Regardless, it is NOT something you can bet on because even if it does happen, it can be YEARS down the line and if you're an insider, there are complex rules on when you can do or say what.

Re: Ask HN: What are some indicators that a company will have an IPO or exit?

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post #5

Number of years since initial VC investment. After 7-12 years in VCs will want to get their money out to pay out their LPs. Around this time they will start pressuring management to find a buyer or prepare for an IPO. Though this pressure depends a lot on the company's financial situation and how willing the VCs are to wait for an exit. It's not the best indicator but it still is one.

Don't forget about employees. Much of early employee compensation is in the form of equity. After 4 years, people expect to monetize and reap some of the rewards. If there is no exit in sight, the senior employees start making for the exit.
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