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Re: We're joining Facebook

#21

Did Facebook ever consider building out their video product outside the newsfeed to keep people on the platform? YouTube seems like easy prey with FB's reach.

They are/have. Several news sites are already embedding FB videos.

If you're asking if they'll make a social network with video... They already have. It's Facebook. And they've recently begun pushing live video a lot harder.

Re: We're joining Facebook

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post #21

Did Facebook ever consider building out their video product outside the newsfeed to keep people on the platform? YouTube seems like easy prey with FB's reach.

They are/have. Several news sites are already embedding FB videos. If you're asking if they'll make a social network with video... They already have. It's Facebook. And they've recently begun pushing live video a lot harder.

YouTube has great discoverability but no shareability with video. Facebook has the exact opposite. I wonder why they don't tackle this. IMHO videos in the newsfeed are not enough to attract content creators. There needs to be some kind of special section/UI.

Re: We're joining Facebook

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Wonder how much they'll be using the technology and how. Will they try to do it like YouTube with trying to keep videos up, and having the revenue go to the copyright owner? Or maybe they won't do much. Comments seem to be divided.

I suspect that it will more likely be similar to YouTube where they try to keep images and other IP up, and generate ad revenue for both FB and the creators. Most of the team behind Source3 worked on a startup called Rightsflow, which did music licensing and eventually was acquired by YouTube. They were responsible for doing a lot (all?) of the music licensing for videos, so that instead of videos being taken down they could instead stay up and have rev-share for everyone.

Re: We're joining Facebook

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post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They are/have. Several news sites are already embedding FB videos. If you're asking if they'll make a social network with video... They already have. It's Facebook. And they've recently begun pushing live video a lot harder.

YouTube has great discoverability but no shareability with video. Facebook has the exact opposite. I wonder why they don't tackle this. IMHO videos in the newsfeed are not enough to attract content creators. There needs to be some kind of special section/UI.

Wait what? YouTube videos can be embedded, shareable, with time ranges and what not? with relatively short URLs by default?

That's not "shareable"? That seems like exactly what the shareable web ought to be!

Re: We're joining Facebook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a more real-world sense, I think you can look at the current state of law enforcement around drug laws in the US for a solid guide to the sort of relationships you're describing. Eventually, the police and the thieves become the same thing; the state thieves.

In the United States, more private property was lost last year to "civil asset forfeiture" than to conventional thieves. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-...

neither the article nor the year it refers to were last year. And even the article says it isn't true:

"...but this isn't exactly right: The FBI also tracks property losses from larceny and theft, in addition to plain ol' burglary. If you add up all the property stolen in 2014, from burglary, theft, motor vehicle theft and other means, you arrive at roughly $12.3 billion, according to the FBI. That's more than double the federal asset forfeiture haul."

Furthermore, a big chunk of that 2014 number was Bernie Madoff, per your atricle.

And finally, a big chunk actually goes back to the victims of the crimes ultimately linked to the forfeiture, again per your article.

Re: We're joining Facebook

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

YouTube has great discoverability but no shareability with video. Facebook has the exact opposite. I wonder why they don't tackle this. IMHO videos in the newsfeed are not enough to attract content creators. There needs to be some kind of special section/UI.

Wait what? YouTube videos can be embedded, shareable, with time ranges and what not? with relatively short URLs by default? That's not "shareable"? That seems like exactly what the shareable web ought to be!

What Facebook has that Youtube does not is that you can share with the click of a single button (without any prior setup) to friends and family. For a not-insignificant-portion of internet users, Facebook is how we communicate with others, so shareability to Facebook matters quite a lot.

I don't disagree that youtube is just as easy to use, but that doesn't change what Facebook has that youtube doesn't.

Re: We're joining Facebook

#29
post #6

That's a promising move by Facebook. Maybe they're finally going to start cracking down on the rampant freebooting that dominates their platform.

I have the strange feeling this will really only be used to enforce the copyrights of large music and movie industry corporations and will not be effective at protecting the IP of independent creators.
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