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Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product

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Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product

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I dunno, what about super nationalist white supremacists? Don't really find them here either.

They're definitely here. I've had HN users insist that I, as a Jew, should be deported to Israel.

I'd second this. There was recently a long thread concerning Reddit and r/the_donald and those ranks certainly showed up.

You can catch a few in this thread.

Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product

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In what way is it not? I'm a firm believer that the two-party system sucks and we need electoral reform to make third parties viable, and every time I vote I wish it were already so... but there's no escaping the reality that the system, as it is built today, makes third-party votes as useful as drawing a spaceship on your ballot.

BECAUSE people believe that. If everyone who wanted to vote third party actually voted third party, they’d actually stand a chance.

Because the nature of the system makes it unstable with more than two viable parties. It is possible for a third party to attain a critical mass and become viable, but it would displace one of the current major parties and we'd be back to a two-party system.

Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product

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I do this, or at least I like to think I do. For example, I am firmly in favor of socialized medicine, but I understand why many people are against it (both the "they don't understand how it actually works in other countries" camp, and the "they understand it and just don't think it's a good idea" camp). I'm firmly in favor of stricter gun control (although I think the Democrats should ditch it, as it's hurting them…

> I cannot understand how anyone can look at him and say, yes, that man should be leading this country They support Trump because they admire him, plain and simple. He's a blowhard who's blustered his way into becoming President of the United States. A regular working-class guy knows he's no Obama, or Lincoln, or Ronald Reagan. But he looks at Trump and thinks to himself, 'If THAT guy can make it, then so can I.' To…

How can Trump be upward mobility incarnate when he inherited tens of millions of dollars, though?

Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product

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I'm saying that maybe left-wing outlets didn't mess up, maybe understanding a Trump voter really is just that difficult. I still can't, and I don't think better coverage would have changed that.

> maybe understanding a Trump voter really is just that difficult Well, over 40% of voters last time around certainly understood. I've read thoughtful and/or insightful things as well, so there's media out there. It's just a matter of people with appropriate credibility consuming, curating, and re-explaining these things to their audiences. I could repost things I've found compelling, but until the Terry Gross's and…

Taking those concerns at face value doesn't seem like enough. How do you get from that to "therefore I really want this con-man to be President"?

Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product

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CNN's Trump/Russia coverage has been ridiculous, theyre running that story 33% of the time 24 hours a day, and nobody has or will be fired for that. Unless their ratings sink so far that upper management needs to be changed.

Do you not think that covering the (admitted!) collusion between a presidential candidate and a foreign power warrants that coverage?

How was this admitted? You're probably misusing the word collusion. There's no evidence of collusion yet, and there's barely evidence of the Russia hacks. Those intelligence agencies are relying on the investigation that CrowdStrike did. They were the only ones with access to the compromised servers. It's not like they all took a look themselves and came to the same conclusion. It's been consistently exaggerated and misrepresented by the media because they have a bias.

Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product

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I was banned from latestagecapitalism when I argued with a user that was recommending murdering business owners was a necessity to improve the world. That sub used to just be a cynical but funny place to comment on the general degradation of morality, then it swung to extremism like seemingly every Reddit sub.

And public violence is a common sentiment over there, too. Not even in a joking way. If prompted, they will inform you that peaceful methods will never work and fighting in the streets is necessary to seize the means.

You think the owners of the means will ever hand them over peacefully?

Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product

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r/LateStageCapitalism is on the front page all the time. Its rules include "Support for capitalism--and the political parties which uphold it--is strictly prohibited". Counterbalanced views are not front paged on a regular basis. Reddit made sure idiotic pro-Trump subreddits were left off the front page. It didn't do the same for idiotic anti-Trump subreddits. r/TwoXChromosomes, also regularly appearing on the front…

Wow. The comment box on every LateStageCapitalism post says "Do not defend capitalism. You will be banned."

Well, if the_Donald is allowed to be a safe space, I don't see why LSC can't.

Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product

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I'm slowly trimming away the means I acquire news, because it's all becoming so editorialized. Twitter is bombarded with bots and flamewars, reddit is a lost cause, and news.google.com is mainly driven by larger syndications that have mastered the "Big Headlines Sell" strategy. That leaves HN and my little local papers, Mountain View Voice and its ilk. Great for local stories and tech news, but I feel like I'm missin…

Mix of Local news + RT(Russia Today) or Al Jazeera works pretty good

Asia Times seems quite good too: http://www.atimes.com/

Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product

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Do you not think that covering the (admitted!) collusion between a presidential candidate and a foreign power warrants that coverage?

How was this admitted? You're probably misusing the word collusion. There's no evidence of collusion yet, and there's barely evidence of the Russia hacks. Those intelligence agencies are relying on the investigation that CrowdStrike did. They were the only ones with access to the compromised servers. It's not like they all took a look themselves and came to the same conclusion. It's been consistently exaggerated and…

> How was this admitted?

When Don Jr. tweeted out the emails specifically inviting him and other Trump campaign staff to a meeting in Trump Tower (fairly good chance Don Sr. was there too) with a Russian government connected lawyer to get dirt on the Clinton campaign.

> compromised servers

I think you're only talking about the DNC hacks? Where this is now a much wider scope and context due to their own admittances.

Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product

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"In a world of two echo chambers... it's up to you to make up your mind." Fox News: "We report, you decide." aka gossip. Not to be confused with journalism. If you think Koch funded NPR is liberal, Democracy Now! and Thom Hartmann will make your head explode.

Luckily it's not just a world of two echo chambers and, I don't have to decide between delusions. Science: We discover great things, you get smarter.

There is just Yes and No.

The default answer to most every question is No, aka status quo. Change occurs when a temporary coalition of Yes is formed around a hot issue. aka the Politics of Attention. Looks like punctuated equilibrium from the outside. Sometimes that change is progress, eg extending the franchise, more fairness, better accountability.

The partisanship in media, culture, politics, etc. maps very loosely to Yes and No, if at all.

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