Musk and Bezos are clearly smarter than Zuck and Dorsey.
Elon Musk says Mark Zuckerberg's understanding of AI is 'limited'
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Re: Elon Musk says Mark Zuckerberg's understanding of AI is 'limited'
#32Seems this pivots on a disagreement of AI as a risk Musk seems very anxious of existential threats-- it isn't surprising he may overestimate the danger of AI It also comes off as very monkey-centric. Is it so bad if human intelligence isn't what proliferates the future? Perhaps AI is a kind of memetic evolution for our culture, evolving into a form of life which can achieve sustenance with much less waste
>It also comes off as very monkey-centric. Is it so bad if human intelligence isn't what proliferates the future?
For humans, it's an absolute disaster - look at what happened to the lesser apes when Homo Sapiens became dominant. The odds are very good that a sentient AI will decimate us or make us extinct, simply by adapting our habitat to its own needs.
Re: Elon Musk says Mark Zuckerberg's understanding of AI is 'limited'
#33Musk is being very generous in his assessment.
What makes you think so?
Re: Elon Musk says Mark Zuckerberg's understanding of AI is 'limited'
#34They're talking past each other because "AI" has become a useless term. Musk's comments are about a potential (maybe conscious) artificial super intelligence and the risks that could come from that if we enable one somehow without understanding the preconditions. Zuckerberg is just talking about "AI" in the sense that machine learning can solve a valuable class of problems. The super intelligence risk could be seriou…
"Turning on an AI or copying the code for one and spreading it would probably be easiear. If it does end up being dangerous that's bad."
That scenario reminds me of the opening of Vernor Vinge's A Fire Upon the Deep.
Re: Elon Musk says Mark Zuckerberg's understanding of AI is 'limited'
#35Mark Recruited Yann Lecun, arguably the top "AI" practitioner in modern times (backprop anyone?). Lecun agrees with Mark and I would be surprised if Mark wasn't taking most of his direction in AI from Lecun.
Re: Elon Musk says Mark Zuckerberg's understanding of AI is 'limited'
#36I would love to see a new Jobs Gates style rivalry. Maybe Musk - Zuckerberg?
These two are very different and don't compete in the same space as Jobs vs Gates.
Musk is a generation above Zuckerberg. 13 years older. Musk is better as an innovator while Zuckerberg is better at business. Zuck has like 69 Billion while Musk has about 16 Billion
Re: Elon Musk says Mark Zuckerberg's understanding of AI is 'limited'
#37Mark Recruited Yann Lecun, arguably the top "AI" practitioner in modern times (backprop anyone?). Lecun agrees with Mark and I would be surprised if Mark wasn't taking most of his direction in AI from Lecun.
Good point. Another noted expert in "AI" is Andrew Ng (formerly Google and Baidu) who stated that, "Fearing a rise of killer robots is like worrying about overpopulation on Mars."
...For some reason Elon is really hung up on gradient-based descent methods terminating all of humanity. We just aren't close to that possibility yet. It is not even in sight.
Re: Elon Musk says Mark Zuckerberg's understanding of AI is 'limited'
#38They're talking past each other because "AI" has become a useless term. Musk's comments are about a potential (maybe conscious) artificial super intelligence and the risks that could come from that if we enable one somehow without understanding the preconditions. Zuckerberg is just talking about "AI" in the sense that machine learning can solve a valuable class of problems. The super intelligence risk could be seriou…
>Turning on an AI or copying the code for one and spreading it would probably be easiear.
What people never mention in any discussion with AI is that the AI will be as limited by physical world as we are. AI It's not just code, it's also the hardware that will run the code. That hardware has theoretical and practical limits, and requires a lot of power. It's not like AI running on some peta/exascale supercomputer will be able to jump to your laptop and take it over and spread itself to every electronic device in the world.
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Re: Elon Musk says Mark Zuckerberg's understanding of AI is 'limited'
#40They're talking past each other because "AI" has become a useless term. Musk's comments are about a potential (maybe conscious) artificial super intelligence and the risks that could come from that if we enable one somehow without understanding the preconditions. Zuckerberg is just talking about "AI" in the sense that machine learning can solve a valuable class of problems. The super intelligence risk could be seriou…
But how can one think that Mark's understanding of "sci-fi AI" is limited? We're so far from any of it that at this point it's all speculation about what could or could not happen.
If I have a theory that humans will evolve into separate species, I can't say someone else's understanding on the matter is limited.