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Re: India will ban driverless cars in order to protect jobs

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Post by fnl »

jimmywanger wrote: post #51
fnl wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even more radically, you might as well just give everybody a universal basic income instead of heading back for a pre-industrialized way of life (though the Amish people seem to like it?!).

If you give people a universal basic income, you need to both increase taxes a lot and completely restrict immigration - a basic income in the US is incredibly luxurious for people who live in sub-saharan Africa. Or else the universal basic income is going to be too low in first world countries to make a difference.

I am fully aware that UBI is an utopia that would require at the very least a Zeitgeist well evolved beyond our species' current, most common world views. But a similar "time-inverse" utopia is trying to stop technological progress with laws.

Re: India will ban driverless cars in order to protect jobs

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Post by Brajeshwar »

kamaal wrote: post #84
Brajeshwar wrote: post #74

A long-ish read. In Indian malls, there are so many helpers standing around that if you lift up a merchandise, you'll be jump scared by someone asking you how she can help you. People are also used to asking the prices of the items, even though just flipping around would reveal the tags that clearly earmarks the final price (all tax and details). Indian are more used to DIFM (Do it for Me) than the western DIY cultur…

Clarifying a few things so that people get a perspective on your post is about. >>In Indian malls, there are so many helpers standing around that if you lift up a merchandise, you'll be jump scared by someone asking you how she can help you. This is because most people can't use these things properly. Its easier(and cheaper) to put a lift operator than to have people damage lift and having it repaired/replaced. >>Peo…

LOL. Very true about the lifts. People, even many educated ones still ask which way the lift is going. I sometimes questioned, "Which button did you press?" They believe they should be "calling the lift" and not "pointing/pressing" which way need to go.

Being rich, is kinda subjective. No, I'm not rich.

Re: India will ban driverless cars in order to protect jobs

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Post by nashashmi »

tomhoward wrote: post #101
dorian-graph wrote: post #100

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> All those people have access to the sum of all human knowledge and the ability to educate themselves almost as well (some would argue even better) than students of the most expensive universities. They can communicate with anyone at almost no marginal cost, and can sell products and services to basically anyone else on the planet. Is this even happening though?

Out of Coursera's 18 million registered learners, 1.3 million are from India with top registered learners hailing from Bengaluru, Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai and Hyderabad, the website said today. Driven by the vast interest coming from Bengaluru, technology hub, nearly half of enrollments in the country are in technology courses such as computer science (25 per cent) and data science (18 per cent). - http://economictimes…

And when you try net income per person, you get:

   Ukraine  $2,468.54 
   Russia  $1,302.77 
   Serbia  $732.12 
   Romania  $633.40 
   China  $609.30

Re: India will ban driverless cars in order to protect jobs

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Post by ceejayoz »

danenania wrote: post #63
ceejayoz wrote: post #34

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The "once self-driving cars hit" point would be their legalization in your scenario, with the same rapid uptake described unless government implements some sort of quota system allowing only a small number to be added at once.

I'll buy that. My point is that it's not something that will happen all of a sudden. First, the tech needs to be ready. Then we'll have a years-long period of political wrangling. And once we finally get through that, sure, adoption could be swift. But people in tech who think this is just going to sail through aren't in touch with how the majority of people look at the world... they're sort of like the folks who tho…

> But people in tech who think this is just going to sail through aren't in touch with how the majority of people look at the world... they're sort of like the folks who thought Google Glass would be a smashing success.

Maybe, maybe not. We've seen tech outpace regulation many times - Facebook and privacy, Uber and taxis, e-mail and spam, etc.

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Post by tomhoward »

nashashmi wrote: post #113
tomhoward wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of Coursera's 18 million registered learners, 1.3 million are from India with top registered learners hailing from Bengaluru, Delhi, Mumbai, Chennai and Hyderabad, the website said today. Driven by the vast interest coming from Bengaluru, technology hub, nearly half of enrollments in the country are in technology courses such as computer science (25 per cent) and data science (18 per cent). - http://economictimes…

And when you try net income per person, you get: Ukraine $2,468.54 Russia $1,302.77 Serbia $732.12 Romania $633.40 China $609.30

Thanks, I'm capable of using a calculator :D

There will naturally be a distribution of incomes among those people, with some people earning little or nothing, and some people earning a lot.

The point is that whatever the income a given person is earning, that is income that was unavailable to them before modern computing and communications devices became affordable to them.

That's money that people are using to build better lives for themselves, their families and their communities.

As I said, that is the point of making things cheaper.

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Post by examplar »

denzil_correa wrote: post #18

Reminds me of this story > The story goes that Milton Friedman was once taken to see a massive government project somewhere in Asia. Thousands of workers using shovels were building a canal. Friedman was puzzled. Why weren't there any excavators or any mechanized earth-moving equipment? A government official explained that using shovels created more jobs. Friedman's response: "Then why not use spoons instead of shove…

spoons can break

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Post by eastern »

abhi3 wrote: post #96
denzil_correa wrote: post #18

Reminds me of this story > The story goes that Milton Friedman was once taken to see a massive government project somewhere in Asia. Thousands of workers using shovels were building a canal. Friedman was puzzled. Why weren't there any excavators or any mechanized earth-moving equipment? A government official explained that using shovels created more jobs. Friedman's response: "Then why not use spoons instead of shove…

The thing is if the goal is to create jobs then this policy is counterproductive. It's a great way to ensure that in 20 years time India has no car industry left. When foreign companies have had decades long lead in autonomous tech there's no way Indian companies will be able to compete with them either in foreign or even domestic market when self-driving cars are allowed. Create a few extra jobs now and destroy an e…

With context, Gadkari appeared to say that driverless _commercial_ vehicles will not be allowed.

A lot of politicians around the world may be saying that soon.

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Post by praving5 »

ShirsenduK wrote: post #88
kamaal wrote: post #87

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>>Driverless technology is AI based i.e. it learns the same way a human does. Not as of today. Its not generic AI. Also to an extent you need good road infrastructure for these things, which we don't have it here in India.

Why do you need generic AI to solve driving? Driving is a system of visual recognition followed by path planning. You see what is on the road and then decide acceleration, brake and steering angle. Enlighten me if there is anything more to driving. As for object detection in an image, AI is more accurate than an human today.

On the drawing board and slides, it would definitely work. No doubts about that!!! Keep me informed when you have a driverless car on the road and you are worry-free to send your kid or any other loved one in it.

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Post by praving5 »

deepGem wrote: post #69
praving5 wrote: post #62

I live in India. Irrespective of whether the Government bans driverless cars or not, Indian roads and traffic conditions are not suitable for driverless cars. Period.

I bet if we start testing self driving cars in India, we'll get there in perhaps another 10-20 years. What's needed is an extremely good path planning algorithm. Rest of the self driving tech SLAM et al is already solved. However, the bigger problem on Indian roads is congestion. I think you need smaller autonomous vehicles that can navigate through the crevices and cracks ( gallis ). Something smaller than the Tata…

definitely a driverless toy car :)

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Post by 794CD01 »

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #50
hossbeast wrote: post #23

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People are also it's beneficiaries

Problem is, the beneficiaries and the victims are often different people.

If they were the same people, the technology would be rather pointless.
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