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Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by SwellJoe »

philtar wrote: post #121
SwellJoe wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not so much that I couldn't have figured it out (though I seem to recall it was not immediately obvious how to do anything, to me), rather it changed my selected applications. I'd set it up the way I liked it, with software I was familiar with and happy with...and an OS update removed that configuration and pointed to Paint 3D instead, an application I hadn't asked for, and seemingly could not uninstall (at leas…

Your complaints are stupid. You complained that cropping and resizing were difficult. When confronted by the fact that they weren't, you went to "oh it changed the defaults." Then you complain about being unable to Uninstaller it when it's uninstall process is like literally every other application. You just want to complain. Your issues are not valid and you are just spreading FUD

"When confronted by the fact that they weren't, you went to "oh it changed the defaults.""

I didn't change my position on this complaint. I said the same in the initial post. Changing my defaults is shitty behavior on the part of Microsoft, and as far as I know (which is admittedly limited), they do it with every application they make.

"Then you complain about being unable to Uninstaller it when it's uninstall process is like literally every other application."

Now...this is a lie.

It is not like literally every other application. It does not appear in the Programs and Features list with an uninstall option. I googled it just to make sure I wasn't misremembering since you seem so certain, but others have the same problem. And the solutions are unpleasant:

https://www.windowscentral.com/how-completely-remove-paint-3...

Are you going to try to tell me that using the command line and editing the registry is how you uninstall literally every other application?

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

#142

Post by et-al »

philtar wrote: post #121
SwellJoe wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not so much that I couldn't have figured it out (though I seem to recall it was not immediately obvious how to do anything, to me), rather it changed my selected applications. I'd set it up the way I liked it, with software I was familiar with and happy with...and an OS update removed that configuration and pointed to Paint 3D instead, an application I hadn't asked for, and seemingly could not uninstall (at leas…

Your complaints are stupid. You complained that cropping and resizing were difficult. When confronted by the fact that they weren't, you went to "oh it changed the defaults." Then you complain about being unable to Uninstaller it when it's uninstall process is like literally every other application. You just want to complain. Your issues are not valid and you are just spreading FUD

Dude, it's one person on the internet mentioning that their Windows experience was not that intuitive for them. Ignore it next time if it doesn't agree with you, or try using a different tone if you would like to have a discussion.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by chipperyman573 »

skrebbel wrote: post #139
morrbo wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the shock here? Large corporations don't want users installing random apps. I don't see why an NHS laptop, for example, should have Bejewelled installed, or some dodgy app which gives permissions to the user's drives, and uploads files. Similarly, though admittedly not a problem in the same way with Windows store apps, to Chrome extensions. Those working in secretive environments with naive users s…

I understand, but what happens is that people will unzip programs from their Downloads folder and just run them from there.

I think the argument is that nothing good can come from the store.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by simonh »

skrebbel wrote: post #139
morrbo wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the shock here? Large corporations don't want users installing random apps. I don't see why an NHS laptop, for example, should have Bejewelled installed, or some dodgy app which gives permissions to the user's drives, and uploads files. Similarly, though admittedly not a problem in the same way with Windows store apps, to Chrome extensions. Those working in secretive environments with naive users s…

I understand, but what happens is that people will unzip programs from their Downloads folder and just run them from there.

I work in finance. Most web sites you could download an exe from are blocked, downloading exes is disabled and running installers is restricted to admin accounts by group policy. If you do get round all that and do it anyway and you're caught, theres a good chance you'll be fired.

One issue is that some classes of users and locations (e.g. Trading floors) are restricted by law concerning the communications systems they can use for work because all communications regarding financial transactions has to be auditable.

On the other hand most of the banks have their own internal software libraries you can install stuff from and you get a bunch of useful utilities by default such as Irfanview, notepad++, Greenshot or similar. Machines for devs are often less locked down.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by sankalp_sans »

skrebbel wrote: post #139
morrbo wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the shock here? Large corporations don't want users installing random apps. I don't see why an NHS laptop, for example, should have Bejewelled installed, or some dodgy app which gives permissions to the user's drives, and uploads files. Similarly, though admittedly not a problem in the same way with Windows store apps, to Chrome extensions. Those working in secretive environments with naive users s…

I understand, but what happens is that people will unzip programs from their Downloads folder and just run them from there.

Oh, it's messy.

In brief, if any of the said applications require Registry entry, it denies that through the permission model that these systems have installed.

If it requires altering some files under some directory, it denies that as well.

Some corporations even restrict such shady websites altogether using an exhaustive list of restricted domains and subdomains, often maintained by a third party, who do this list maintenance full-time for corporates like IBM, TCS, just to name a few.

On top of it, almost all network and device activities are tracked, flash drive ports disabled, etc. to ensure "security".

(Only a handful of underpaid device managers have access to Admin account. Forget the fact that this still doesn't prevent them from doing so at their discretion, or credentials sharing)

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by kristianc »

BrockSamson wrote: post #140
proactivesvcs wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

...the integrated advertising platform, cloud software, the mandatory spying components...

This is my problem with Windows 10. It is no longer an operating system it is an advertising platform.

This isn't massively new either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_Desktop

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by Schlaefer »

pluma wrote: post #119
Schlaefer wrote: post #113

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> opening Paint, and pasting from the clipboard! That's not a solution that will be available on a machine without Paint. You will have Paint 3D and the first three buttons you see after opening the app are "New", "Open" and "Paste" (with a clipboard icon(!)).

Somewhat off-topic, but I just realized (maybe because I'm a non-native speaker and barely ever use applications which have icons for "copy" and "paste") that "clipboard" in software and physical "clipboards" are two entirely unrelated concepts for me. So much so that I only just remembered that the paste icon represents a physical clipboard rather than simply some abstract brown rectangle with an abstract white rect…

Same situation here ("Zwischenablage"-country, was made familiar with the concept in the non-icon days, learned the shortcuts and never click icons). The icons were always somewhat confusing to me, I have to actively think what they mean if I want to use icon-only buttons.

I believe the now known icons were popularised esp. through MS Office. What I found on the net is that Susan Kare did the more obvious scissor cut-icon for the Mac earlier. Would be interesting to read where those icons originated.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by youhaveto »

nindalf wrote: post #16
gchokov wrote: post #9

Microsoft doesn't have any taste. No, it's should not be on the store. Tasteless company..

Your comment is vague and unconstructive. I'd ask you to substantiate your claim, but its not even clear what that claim is.

Gosh, that pretentious tone of language. "I'd ask to substantiate your claim". What the heck does that mean? Are you like the holy guard of "rationality" you dumb fuck? You have to go back, Pajeet.

Re: MS Paint is here to stay

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Post by user5994461 »

skrebbel wrote: post #139
morrbo wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand the shock here? Large corporations don't want users installing random apps. I don't see why an NHS laptop, for example, should have Bejewelled installed, or some dodgy app which gives permissions to the user's drives, and uploads files. Similarly, though admittedly not a problem in the same way with Windows store apps, to Chrome extensions. Those working in secretive environments with naive users s…

I understand, but what happens is that people will unzip programs from their Downloads folder and just run them from there.

Which is a fireable offense. Thus the company is covered in case of disaster.
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