Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product
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Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product
#182Earlier quoted context omitted.
> HN is the same way when it relates to political news (i.e. liberal, one-sided, pretty much echo-chamber) HN is one of those places where everyone thinks that there are plenty of "the other side" here. There are plenty of fiscal and social conservatives on this site. Probably the only sector of the conservative world that isn't well-represented here are war hawks.
I dunno, what about super nationalist white supremacists? Don't really find them here either.
They exist, and you don't know it. Just as a middle easterner who wants death to gay people, a gay christian fundamentalist, and a black kkk member.
Yes, I jest. Sorta. That's what I love about HN, typically. It has a very diverse community that typically leaves religion and politics at the door. And even if we all met, we may kill each other, we get along here in the sake of tech and interesting sciences.
Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product
#183Earlier quoted context omitted.
- The story of the world is largely a military history. For brutal facts, figures and movements and minimum pathos: http://strategypage.com - Dan Carlin's Common Sense podcast is a relatively unbiased source for US politics.
I believe I tried dan Carlin but was turned off when he made the argument that a third party vote is a wasted vote.
Dan's saying that the political machine is so rigged that it's very difficult for a third party to succeed. He gets right down into the gory details of the electoral system, it's eye opening.
Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product
#184Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe I tried dan Carlin but was turned off when he made the argument that a third party vote is a wasted vote.
You probably caught him at a bad time. He's also argued that third parties are the only way forward in America (which I think is not true). At this point, his Common Sense podcast is somewhat repetitive of his previous stuff, but he's trying to say new things each time, which is tough. His Hardcore History stuff, on the other hand, is mind-blowingly awesome!!! And not repetitive.
convincing someone to waste their vote is a powerful tool.
Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product
#185I'm slowly trimming away the means I acquire news, because it's all becoming so editorialized. Twitter is bombarded with bots and flamewars, reddit is a lost cause, and news.google.com is mainly driven by larger syndications that have mastered the "Big Headlines Sell" strategy. That leaves HN and my little local papers, Mountain View Voice and its ilk. Great for local stories and tech news, but I feel like I'm missin…
The No Agenda show analyses (twice weekly) exactly what you're talking about and compares many sources. They deconstruct the media. They frequently also use European (France 24 and Deutsche Welle) and Asian (like CCTV) to contrast the news in the U.S. They also include RT and compare. http://www.noagendashow.com/
They tend to demonstrate what I've been calling the conspiracy funnel - they may have some worthy criticisms at first, but to be worthy to be on their show everything they air must have a huge slant they can fight against, or else they won't talk about it. They end up talking about mostly conspiracies and propaganda, leaving out the idea that a lot of journalism in the US is biased but more or less above board.
Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product
#186Earlier quoted context omitted.
I tend to think one way. To help me understand the "other way," I try to understand their belief system before I try to understand their arguments. Let me try to use two examples, one from each side. Don't worry about why some people believe in welfare before you try to understand their beliefs in "justice." Don't try to understand gun rights before understanding "liberty."
I do this, or at least I like to think I do. For example, I am firmly in favor of socialized medicine, but I understand why many people are against it (both the "they don't understand how it actually works in other countries" camp, and the "they understand it and just don't think it's a good idea" camp). I'm firmly in favor of stricter gun control (although I think the Democrats should ditch it, as it's hurting them…
'Yeah, I'm a huckster. But I'm the best, and now I'm going to be a huckster for you.' That is, as best as I can tell, the core of it. That and:
- Clinton took the midwestern 'blue firewall' for granted
- Russia
- Comey
- Sexism
- Voter suppression, especially amongst African-Americans
- Really wrong candidate for a strongly populism-tinged election cycle
120,000 votes total across three states would've flipped the election, and we'd be having a totally different conversation right now.
n.b. I voted for Clinton in the primaries and general.
Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product
#187Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm saying that maybe left-wing outlets didn't mess up, maybe understanding a Trump voter really is just that difficult. I still can't, and I don't think better coverage would have changed that.
> maybe understanding a Trump voter really is just that difficult Well, over 40% of voters last time around certainly understood. I've read thoughtful and/or insightful things as well, so there's media out there. It's just a matter of people with appropriate credibility consuming, curating, and re-explaining these things to their audiences. I could repost things I've found compelling, but until the Terry Gross's and…
> start taking white blue collar concerns at face value
What concerns are these, specifically?
Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product
#188Earlier quoted context omitted.
Not really. CNN has gone the way of MSNBC (i.e. liberal, one-sided, pretty much echo-chamber). HN is the same way when it relates to political news (i.e. liberal, one-sided, pretty much echo-chamber). Fox News is, well, Fox News. NPR is, well, for the most part, the Fox News of the left. So on and so forth. In a world of two echo chambers (The Right-wingers and The Left-wingers), it's up to you to make up your mind.…
"In a world of two echo chambers... it's up to you to make up your mind." Fox News: "We report, you decide." aka gossip. Not to be confused with journalism. If you think Koch funded NPR is liberal, Democracy Now! and Thom Hartmann will make your head explode.
sure about NPR being funded by the Kochs ? https://www.quora.com/Why-are-the-Koch-Brothers-big-supporte...
Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product
#189I'm slowly trimming away the means I acquire news, because it's all becoming so editorialized. Twitter is bombarded with bots and flamewars, reddit is a lost cause, and news.google.com is mainly driven by larger syndications that have mastered the "Big Headlines Sell" strategy. That leaves HN and my little local papers, Mountain View Voice and its ilk. Great for local stories and tech news, but I feel like I'm missin…
What is your problem with Reddit? Please elaborate because it works fine for me.
Re: Fear is America’s top-selling consumer product
#190I'm slowly trimming away the means I acquire news, because it's all becoming so editorialized. Twitter is bombarded with bots and flamewars, reddit is a lost cause, and news.google.com is mainly driven by larger syndications that have mastered the "Big Headlines Sell" strategy. That leaves HN and my little local papers, Mountain View Voice and its ilk. Great for local stories and tech news, but I feel like I'm missin…
> it's screamed at me, dripping in panic: "Trump DID A THING!!!" "Cops Shoot a Guy AGAIN WHY DID THEY DO THAT?!!" No joke. Someone a while back asked here, where are all the leftist conspiracy theories? We know the right wing ones - the contrails, lizard people, Obama is a secret Muslim etc. How come the left doesn't have any? And my idea was that in a bubble environment where all the news is filtered through narrow…
Conspiracy theories on the left are prevalent. Anti-vaccination is the obvious one. There's plenty about GMOs and Monsanto. I had a health teacher in highschool who gave us an alternative "food pyramid" the only justification of why it was better being that it had been rejected by congress while the other one was accepted. She was obviously left-leaning and is where I'm getting most of these ideas. Anti nuclear power is another of hers.