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A Guide to Intermittent Fasting

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Re: A Guide to Intermittent Fasting

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Overall the body is pretty good at nutrient partitioning and maintaining a caloric balance. There may be small statistically different outcomes for practicing stuff like IF, but there aren't clinically different outcomes outside of using IF to maintain compliance to a diet.

If IF helps you maintain your ability to comply to the diet you want, great, but there's absolutely no evidence for it being superior than the same diet spread over the day, and there a few ways in which it's probably suboptimal, like building muscle (although again not hugely so, so compliance probably trumps the small advantage you get).

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"Calorie restriction is proven to help you live a longer life."

Flatly untrue. The article linked to "in proof" is about primate studies that suggest -- perhaps even strongly suggest -- that caloric restriction can slow the process of aging. This does not, however, rise to the level of proof, and certainly does not provide conclusive indication of what caloric restricters can expect more generally. The author is apparently willing to make this grandiose claim to a susceptible audience with nary a word about its limitations, which should set our alarm bells ringing.

If you want to calorically restrict, do it because you've thought long and hard about the consequences of a truly significant choice -- not because it's a tech industry fad.

Re: A Guide to Intermittent Fasting

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I have been doing intermittent fasting (IF) on a 16/8 or 18/6 schedule for the last 6 weeks. In combination with keto/LCHF food, keeping my daily caloric intake under 1550, and weight lifting 3x weekly, I've been losing 2.5 lbs/week on average.

IF fits my lifestyle really well, since I only end up eating twice. I feel super energetic and focused while I'm fasted, and the lack of insulin spikes when I do eat have helped too. Besides losing weight, my overall health seems better. Cuts and injuries heal faster, less facial acne (I didn't have a lot to begin with though), and all of my stomach/intestinal issues are gone.

IF works really well for me, and I highly recommend that people try it for themselves for 1-2 months, to see if it works for them too.

Re: A Guide to Intermittent Fasting

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"Calorie restriction is proven to help you live a longer life."

This is essentially false for anyone reading the article. The studies that showed mice living longer lives from calorie restriction were restricted from birth, and thus their growth was stunted, and smaller creatures live longer (think about dogs; big ones die earlier).

Studies of animals where the calories restriction was started mid-life all show increased mortality. The immune system and wound healing are compromised.

That being said, I've been using a system basically like Leangains since March for the purpose of losing weight. It's just cutting calories and I find that two meals a day plus a big plate of vegetables for dinner allows me to fast from Noon to breakfast the next day with minimal hunger.

But this is a calorie deficit/weight loss strategy because I'm overweight, not a lifestyle thing I'm going to keep up forever. And so far I've lost 29 lbs since March, so that's nice.

There are benefits to fasting occasionally I think, but that's not calorie restriction. It's just giving your body a 24 hr period to engage in autophagy and clear out some of the junk; you make up the calories on the other days.

Re: A Guide to Intermittent Fasting

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"Calorie restriction is proven to help you live a longer life." Flatly untrue. The article linked to "in proof" is about primate studies that suggest -- perhaps even strongly suggest -- that caloric restriction can slow the process of aging. This does not, however, rise to the level of proof, and certainly does not provide conclusive indication of what caloric restricters can expect more generally. The author is appa…

I think the phenomenon is poorly understood and studied, but it's likely not the calorie restriction itself, like you claim.

Apparently it has to do with autophagy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autophagy), which your body seems to enter when you restrict calories. IF apparently stimulates your body to perform autophagy due to the fact that you're timing your meals.

TBH, I still need to do my own research to see how much of this is real vs. pseudoscience, but I've noticed an improvement to my health. Whether that's placebo effect or not, remains to be seen.

Re: A Guide to Intermittent Fasting

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"Calorie restriction is proven to help you live a longer life." Flatly untrue. The article linked to "in proof" is about primate studies that suggest -- perhaps even strongly suggest -- that caloric restriction can slow the process of aging. This does not, however, rise to the level of proof, and certainly does not provide conclusive indication of what caloric restricters can expect more generally. The author is appa…

I agree, and this can be applied to every single diet fab that's been talked/tweeted/click-baited about in the past 10 years.

I do IF, but that's because if I try to eat anything within 3 or 4 hours of waking up I feel nauseous and sleepy. I also find it easier to manage caloric intake by limiting my "feeding window" to 8 or 10 hours. There are also some fringe benefits such as refining my ability to self-deny indulgences and be more thoughtful around food choices. Simply put, if I tell my self "no food after 8pm" I won't binge eat two pints of icecream before bed.

The only diet that matters is that one you can stick to.

Re: A Guide to Intermittent Fasting

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post #5

"Calorie restriction is proven to help you live a longer life." This is essentially false for anyone reading the article. The studies that showed mice living longer lives from calorie restriction were restricted from birth , and thus their growth was stunted, and smaller creatures live longer (think about dogs; big ones die earlier). Studies of animals where the calories restriction was started mid-life all show incr…

"It's just giving your body a 24 hr period to engage in autophagy and clear out some of the junk; you make up the calories on the other days."

Very true. People don't realize that calories don't "reset' after the day ends. Net calorie gain/loss is best measure on a weekly or bi-weekly basis. If you stay under target for 3 days then binge two full pizzas, you aren't actually going to lose anything.

Re: A Guide to Intermittent Fasting

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I'm a big fan of intermittent fasting, but this article lacks any kind of proof on many of the cited benefits:

> Benefit #2. It helps with calorie restriction

No study cited that proves this. Only cites studies about the benefits of "proof" that caloric restriction helps longevity, but really is just a correlation.

> Benefit #3. It helps you lose weight and body fat

No study cited, follows up with "believe me, it worked on me".

Cites this study: "Alternate day calorie restriction improves clinical findings and reduces markers of oxidative stress and inflammation in overweight adults with moderate asthma."

That's incredibly specific and shouldn't be generalized to the general population.

>Benefit #5. It helps your cells clean and repair themselves

Cites studies made on rats/mice. Although that's a good indicator it might be mirrored in humans, it proves nothing.

> Benefit #7. It regenerates the immune system

Study was made on 3 day fasts, and not intermittent fasting.

It would nice if he pointed out those are potential benefits instead.

Re: A Guide to Intermittent Fasting

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I have been doing intermittent fasting (IF) on a 16/8 or 18/6 schedule for the last 6 weeks. In combination with keto/LCHF food, keeping my daily caloric intake under 1550, and weight lifting 3x weekly, I've been losing 2.5 lbs/week on average. IF fits my lifestyle really well, since I only end up eating twice. I feel super energetic and focused while I'm fasted, and the lack of insulin spikes when I do eat have help…

>I have been doing intermittent fasting (IF) on a 16/8 or 18/6 schedule for the last 6 weeks.

What do 16/8 and 18/6 mean in this context?

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