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Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet

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Re: Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet

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They make decent money -- good money even. This is really an article about the high housing costs in the Bay Area. I don't see any other real message here. All of the people who oppose residential development near work sites are to blame. Period.

good money even

How is $19/hour good money in California?

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> Wow. Just wow. For some people, marriage is more than a financial arrangement. Marriage in the legal sense and marriage in the religious/personal/emotional commitment sense are not the same thing. I don't think you're necessarily _always_ wrong, but I also don't see why you think it's so universal that people should load a specific legal status with so much emotional weight and be unable to separate it from the act…

It sounds like you've never been married. It's not a matter of getting the government to approve, it's a matter of getting other people to recognize it. If you have a common-law marriage but it's not documented then if your spouse falls ill and taken to hospital you might be denied visitation rights, for example. I suggest you read some court filings/legal articles on the gay marriage cases from a few years ago to ge…

While I support marriage equality I think that was a suboptimal solution. A better, although more complex, option would have been to eliminate civil marriage from the legal code altogether. Currently a civil marriage is a fixed bundle of legal rights, penalties, and responsibilities. But it doesn't have to be that way. Issues like hospital visitation rights could be easily handled through standardized written agreements instead.

Marriage should be strictly a religious or social status with no official government recognition.

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Nope. There are many forms of capitalism... Humanistic capitalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Humanistic_capitalism Anarcho-capitalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarcho-capitalism Democratic capitalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_capitalism Eco-capitalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eco-capitalism Inclusive capitalism: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inclusive_capitalism Neo-capitalism: https:/…

Then there's, you know, "capitalism in actual practice". Which is what the Dude above was referring to.

As long as we don't confuse what we have right now (corrupt cronyism, corporatism, blatant vertical monopolies, blatant government-backed monopsonies, etc.) with an actual free market.

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They are excluded from events because they are working not for Facebook, but a food service company that contracts for Facebook. Works the other way around too. I've done contract programming, on site, for a blue collar heavy business. I didn't get invited to their functions either. I made more than the the average worker there, because our jobs were not the same.

They are excluded from events because they are working not for Facebook, but a food service company that contracts for Facebook. This may be technically true, but ultimately it's just window dressing. And for FB (and many other companies that play the same game with its more expendable workers), a convenient dodge in terms of both expenses and liabilities. If you show up at Facebook's building every morning, work in…

>Let's please not try to compare the "plight" of contract tech workers

I don't personally see a difference other than the average wage for what I do. Companies contract other companies for many things. Janitorial, security guards, software work, etc. They shouldn't be involved in the salary of some other company's workers. If there's a wage issue in this case, it's not Facebook's issue to sort it out.

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> A spokeswoman for Facebook said none of the company’s contingent or contract workers have access to facilities such as clinics, gyms, or bring-your-child-to-work days One thing I liked about AirBnB was their entire staff including cafeteria workers and security guards were full-time employees who ate the same food, had access to the same facilities and events, and went through the first week 'bootcamp' alongside de…

See also senior and older FB engineers being discouraged from participating in perks and events intended for younger and junior employees because FB can multitask at sucking.

[citation needed]

I've been at FB for almost a decade and have never seen anything that even remotely looked like what you are describing.

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That's how capitalism and meritocracy work unfortunately.

That's how capitalism and meritocracy work unfortunately. The Dude is absolutely right and spot on with this of course -- and in any case shouldn't have been downvoted for pointing it out. Systematic social segregation and pervasive, manufactured feelings of inadequacy and inferiority aren't merely "bugs" in modern capitalism; they're among its core features . That's the "real" problem here (as other commenters have…

The argument for capitalism is that feelings and inadequacy are inherent to the human condition. With that in mind, people should:

1. have property rights so they have some say (even on the vote-with-your-feet level) in how things play out

2. the human condition can be leveraged against itself for general societal improvement

The counterargument is that a small group of humans can somehow design (and maintain!) a system that is somehow less susceptible to humanity.

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Then there's, you know, "capitalism in actual practice". Which is what the Dude above was referring to.

As long as we don't confuse what we have right now (corrupt cronyism, corporatism, blatant vertical monopolies, blatant government-backed monopsonies, etc.) with an actual free market.

Yep, it's best not to confuse reality with pipe dreams, generally.

Re: Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet

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> A spokeswoman for Facebook said none of the company’s contingent or contract workers have access to facilities such as clinics, gyms, or bring-your-child-to-work days One thing I liked about AirBnB was their entire staff including cafeteria workers and security guards were full-time employees who ate the same food, had access to the same facilities and events, and went through the first week 'bootcamp' alongside de…

I don't know if this was a special circumstance, but I shared a table with a security guard during my noogler orientation. That made a similar impact on me (and we stay in touch even now, actually). But, at Google, there is also a strong differentiation between full time employees and everybody else (temps, vendors, contractors), with clear and consistently impressed rules about what non-FTEs are allowed to see and do.

Re: Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet

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Amazon, Wallmart, McDonalds are notorious for pushing the cost of employees onto welfare and the rest of the population. Facebook doesn't seem as bad but clearly there are lingering issues around the widening wage gap, part time work, contracting and access to basic facilities like healthcare that reflect our societal values and need to be addressed as a whole.

Discrimination in access to facilities and making some employees feel they are some kind of lesser human beings is backward and regressive behavior. Google does this and so does facebook and no civilized society can accept this kind of behavior. I don't know how decision makers in SV companies come to agree to dehumanize some in this manner.

What kind of utopian future or 'better world' can these companies usher if they can't even get basics like human dignity right.

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That's the dumbest goddamn thing I've ever heard, least of all because a TV on sale on Black Friday is pretty far from a nice sandwich. This sort of selfish reasoning--"but but but what about the poors that might somehow abuse the system"--is cancerous, and you sir or madam are a shitty person for suggesting it.

Have you ever worked in food services or retail? If not, you don't know what you're talking about, because this kind of thing happens all the time because people abuse the system. The parent commenter is not even the one making up the reason. She/he is simply explaining the reason why such a policy commonly exists. FWIW, most places also allow the workers to eat the food before/during/after they work there.

The idea was "herp derp they'll save all the good sandwiches for themselves". Which is dumb.

Your observation even confirms as much--and friends who've worked at places like Panera and Starbucks (bringing home extra baked goods) somehow manaage to not hoard everything to the detriment of the business.

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