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Mysterious Mac Malware Has Infected Victims for Years

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Re: Mysterious Mac Malware Has Infected Victims for Years

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As someone new to the Mac ecosystem, is it standard practice to run an antivirus as it is on Windows? I have used various Linux systems as my daily web browsing machine for years without feeling the need to install any third-party antivirus.

You probably shouldn't install any antivirus on Windows either. They're so full of holes that they probably increase the likelyhood that you get a virus.

Re: Mysterious Mac Malware Has Infected Victims for Years

#32

>the widespread belief that they are virus-free, Macs aren't immune from invasive and dangerous malware. This is an area where it's really hard to extrapolate from my personal experience to the entire population, but is this really an accurate statement of many people's beliefs? I think what people actually think is that the chances are much lower of encountering malware in the wild on a Mac. In support of that, havi…

My experience with tech illiterate people is that they think they can't get viruses on Mac or iOS. Viruses are a Windows-only thing in their minds.

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>the widespread belief that they are virus-free, Macs aren't immune from invasive and dangerous malware. This is an area where it's really hard to extrapolate from my personal experience to the entire population, but is this really an accurate statement of many people's beliefs? I think what people actually think is that the chances are much lower of encountering malware in the wild on a Mac. In support of that, havi…

My experience with tech illiterate people is that they think they can't get viruses on Mac or iOS. Viruses are a Windows-only thing in their minds.

I would guess many 20-somethings have recommended a mac to their parents with this as one of the bullet points. At a time, it was more or less true - when dropping a virus on your windows PC was as easy as loading a malicious activex website, macs just didn't even have it. Not to say macs weren't vulnerable, but the attack surface was lower and the cost/benefit to people trying to bot-net your mom's Mac was higher than everyone's unpatched Compaq running Win98.

Re: Mysterious Mac Malware Has Infected Victims for Years

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> ...despite the widespread belief that they are virus-free, Macs aren't immune from invasive and dangerous malware.

I keep hearing this, but I never see evidence of these people. Is there a widespread belief that there's a widespread belief that Macs are immune from malware, despite few people who actually think this?

Well, I'm sure such people exist, but there don't seem to be many, even on sites like macrumors and /r/apple where mostly non-technical people with magical feelings for Apple gather and comment.

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> ...despite the widespread belief that they are virus-free, Macs aren't immune from invasive and dangerous malware. I keep hearing this, but I never see evidence of these people. Is there a widespread belief that there's a widespread belief that Macs are immune from malware, despite few people who actually think this? Well, I'm sure such people exist, but there don't seem to be many, even on sites like macrumors and…

Apple literally had that in their ads.

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post #34

> ...despite the widespread belief that they are virus-free, Macs aren't immune from invasive and dangerous malware. I keep hearing this, but I never see evidence of these people. Is there a widespread belief that there's a widespread belief that Macs are immune from malware, despite few people who actually think this? Well, I'm sure such people exist, but there don't seem to be many, even on sites like macrumors and…

In the mid to late 2000s, this was something that was often repeated.

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post #34

> ...despite the widespread belief that they are virus-free, Macs aren't immune from invasive and dangerous malware. I keep hearing this, but I never see evidence of these people. Is there a widespread belief that there's a widespread belief that Macs are immune from malware, despite few people who actually think this? Well, I'm sure such people exist, but there don't seem to be many, even on sites like macrumors and…

I'd say macrumors and /r/apple are probably a better representation of the general public than other forms of contact you have with people. Realizing that viruses exist escapes some.

Apple even based a commercial on the premise a while back, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHFy6egYcUg

Re: Mysterious Mac Malware Has Infected Victims for Years

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's been a few years, but the "I'm a Mac and I'm a PC" ad series talked up virus immunity quite a bit. I suppose one could argue that "don't get malware" was narrowly accurate in the sense that it wasn't presently happening, but there was a strong suggestion of "can't get malware" too.

It was presently, and it's easy much happening now either. All these "viruses", or 99% of them, are just trojans.

That doesn't really matter, as to the layperson virus often is a general catch-all term for malware.

Re: Mysterious Mac Malware Has Infected Victims for Years

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post #34

> ...despite the widespread belief that they are virus-free, Macs aren't immune from invasive and dangerous malware. I keep hearing this, but I never see evidence of these people. Is there a widespread belief that there's a widespread belief that Macs are immune from malware, despite few people who actually think this? Well, I'm sure such people exist, but there don't seem to be many, even on sites like macrumors and…

By now Windows also has a much stronger security model. So I'd say that the chances of anything happening would theoretically be about equal in Linux, Windows and Mac. But you'd have to take popularity into account, and since the Mac has become more popular, I'd guess they are a victim more often.

Re: Mysterious Mac Malware Has Infected Victims for Years

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>the widespread belief that they are virus-free, Macs aren't immune from invasive and dangerous malware. This is an area where it's really hard to extrapolate from my personal experience to the entire population, but is this really an accurate statement of many people's beliefs? I think what people actually think is that the chances are much lower of encountering malware in the wild on a Mac. In support of that, havi…

> I think what people actually think is that the chances are much lower of encountering malware in the wild on a Mac. Yes -- and what people believe is also true. It's indeed much lower, to the point of being a non-issue almost. (And it's not due to "lower market share" either. Mac OS 7/8 etc had even lower market share than today's Macs have, and it had tons of viruses).

> Mac OS 7/8 etc had even lower market share than today's Macs have, and it had tons of viruses

That's not a valid comparison. When Mac OS 7/8 was mainstream, it was common to get software via a floppy disk that had already been in 10 other machines or from a fly-by-night BBS. Nowadays software distribution is far less peer-to-peer, and it's much more difficult for simple viruses to move from machine to machine.

> market share

If it's not market share, then what is it? The vast majority of malware attacks happen via social engineering, not zero day vulnerabilities, and the only requirements for that are a gullible user and a computer capable of running unsigned software.

Edit: Since I don't have access to a disposable Mac, just out of curiosity, what happens if you torrent something like "photoshop for mac full edition (cracked)" and try to install it? On a PC, assuming you make it through the hurricane of warnings Windows tries to throw in your way, this will almost certainly result in malware getting installed on your computer. What mechanism prevents this on a Mac?

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