Live data from Hacker News

Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet

theguardian.com

201–210 of 546 posts

Re: Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet

#201

They make decent money -- good money even. This is really an article about the high housing costs in the Bay Area. I don't see any other real message here. All of the people who oppose residential development near work sites are to blame. Period.

> All of the people who oppose residential development near work sites are to blame. Period.

Are you saying that is the only thing that is keeping the bay area's cost of living high?

Re: Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet

#202
post #196
post #174

> They earn too much to qualify for state healthcare, but not enough to afford the health insurance offered by their employer. They frequently struggle to find enough money for basics like food and clothes for their children. Victor recently borrowed money from his mother to hold a birthday party for one of his daughters, and from a friend to pay for a dentist appointment. They might want to look into not being marri…

What you describe is called fraud, and the anti-poor people in this country would go after them for it, just like they went after "welfare queens" and the like.

No. If they both declared the children as dependents, THAT would be fraud. But choosing not to be married is perfectly legal. It's called a divorce, is legal in all 50 states, and in California doesn't even require a reason. I'm not sure you actually thought about what you typed.

Re: Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet

#203

Everybody here is focusing on real estate. (because young wealthy programmers and older poorer workers have a shared interest in cheap real estate) But I'm really interested in how HN feels about this section: “I felt more secure at my other job. You didn’t have people looking down at you,” Nicole said. Now she works at cafeterias with names like “Epic” and “Living the Dream”, and the distance between the two classes…

I work for a large company, and it frustrates me that they rely so heavily on contractors for campus support positions. At the same time, the incentives are pointed that way. It's easier to hire vendors to manage non-core services (food, massage, etc.) than to develop those processes in-house. At the same time, it's cheaper to not have to provide equal benefits to vendor employees. The lack of access to on-site medic…

Yeah, this happened at Microsoft. Back in the day there wasn't such a clear line between contractors and FTEs. The lawsuit did a lot of damage in both directions. It's not clear who benefitted other than the attorneys.

Also, if you make these roles direct employees, then you can get into an awkward position wrt 401K contributions, if the delta between your highest and lowest payed employees is too great. My understanding is that this is why Amazon caps salary at 160/185k

Re: Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet

#204

> A spokeswoman for Facebook said none of the company’s contingent or contract workers have access to facilities such as clinics, gyms, or bring-your-child-to-work days One thing I liked about AirBnB was their entire staff including cafeteria workers and security guards were full-time employees who ate the same food, had access to the same facilities and events, and went through the first week 'bootcamp' alongside de…

Thanks for mentioning this example. Every time I see complaints of how FB (or any big company) should not be using contractors, I'm at a loss to think of companies that employ this kind of support staff. I think most of the companies I've worked have generally outsourced cafeteria and janitorial work, albeit these companies were in much more affordable metros.

Re: Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet

#205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We wouldn't need 4 year degrees if we hadn't dumbed down public school. We wouldn't need 4 year degrees if employers were allowed to give potential employees an IQ test. Want to become an electrician? You aren't allowed to take an unpaid internship, so what do you have to do instead? Now you have to pay the electrician to teach you in a classroom setting, putting you in massive debt. >I'm of the opinion that yes, eve…

An electrician union here advertises apprenticeships with (decent for entry level) hourly pay, benefits and no debt upon completion. It's several years to complete, but the 8000 hours of work experience is then sufficient to get a license to work independently.

What's really important is that we design the system so that incumbent wealth can maintain their position by controlling the market through government regulation (licensing).

Re: Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet

#206
post #174

> They earn too much to qualify for state healthcare, but not enough to afford the health insurance offered by their employer. They frequently struggle to find enough money for basics like food and clothes for their children. Victor recently borrowed money from his mother to hold a birthday party for one of his daughters, and from a friend to pay for a dentist appointment. They might want to look into not being marri…

They might want to look into not being married. Wow. Just wow. For some people, marriage is more than a financial arrangement. They'd also save a bundle by not having kids. Maybe they should sell one of them, it would help pay for the others?

-Legally- married. There's usually a difference between legal recognition and personal recognition. Though I agree (as does the OP) that even having a situation where that might be an advantageous distinction is messed up.

Re: Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet

#207
post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What you describe is called fraud, and the anti-poor people in this country would go after them for it, just like they went after "welfare queens" and the like.

How is getting divorced to maximize tax avoidance or get government services even remotely fraud? Is there a statute on that? You can obviously avoid marriage in the first place, in order to maximize services or avoid taxes.

Well, if the theory is that the benefits are for single parents rather than those who are benefiting from the pooled resources of a marriage, in principle, then, at the very least, such a benefit claim could be said to go against the spirit in which the benefits are offered.

That said, given the absurdity of the situation and the fact that the rules severely punish them for being married, I wouldn't fault them in the slightest for doing exactly that.

Re: Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet

#208
They're living in their parents garage. With the single biggest cost of living(housing) removed, I'm curious how they can't afford life at 80k/yr. Besides for housing, cost of living does not need to be particularly higher in SV than elsewhere.

Either that, or the parents are charging them market rate to live in the garage, which is probably illegal anyway...

Re: Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet

#209

They make decent money -- good money even. This is really an article about the high housing costs in the Bay Area. I don't see any other real message here. All of the people who oppose residential development near work sites are to blame. Period.

doesn't say how much are they paying for the two car garage, even at lower rents how much lower they must be, to be cheaper then what they are paying now, so that they increase their standard of living.

Re: Cafeteria workers at Facebook struggle to make ends meet

#210
post #163

One way to minimize the cost of living impact is to set up satellite offices. Set up a campus in Texas or Oklahoma. It's not like people would not take jobs there. I'm sure some globe trotters would not, but most jobs don't need the globe trotter kind of mentality.

Janitors, bus drivers, food service workers and security can't work from a "satellite office". This is about more than engineers.

[deleted]
Post reply on HN