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Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by vtlynch »

Spooky23 wrote: post #65
vtlynch wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Microsoft to remove ability to right-click." Makes sense. Microsoft is missing out on recurring revenue. I'm sure there will be a Windows 10 Creators Pack for Mouse Power Users for $6.99/mo.

We jest, but bullshit like that is entirely possible. Windows is a product in decline in many ways, and a public company still needs to grow revenue. Users can (and are) migrating to modern platforms, but many of the organizations using it are doing so because they have to, will continue to have that need for a decade or more. My colleagues at work who run apps on the IBM Mainframe and POWER server platforms plan the…

I was trying to point out how incredibly myopic and foolish your idea was.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by vtlynch »

dvfjsdhgfv wrote: post #60
vtlynch wrote: post #59

Paint is one executable file, no? Getting rid of this does literally nothing to combat bloat and seems like a pointless move that will irritate users.

On the other hand, this basically means just one line to the script to be run on each fresh install of Windows. It's not like we lost the license to use Paint, did we?

You mean in order to place it back on the machines? Sure, just one line.

But there seems to be a rather big difference between basic software that is guaranteed to be available and software that requires any amount of scripting/preparation to install, even if it is just one line.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by mxuribe »

NicoJuicy wrote: post #41

Weird, in the comments i almost don't see paint dot net ( https://www.getpaint.net/ ) get mentioned? Awesome free tool, between paint and photoshop. Support for layers, ...

Wow, I haven't heard mention of paint.net in sooo long! I used that years ago, and it was awesome...then numerous migrations, and different types of jobs (where needed less use for ms paint or paint.net)...lately just use whatever is on the OS - sometimes it is GIMP, sometimes its ms paint. Yeah, if no one else vouches for paint.net, i'll definitely vouch for it!

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by mschaef »

tritium wrote: post #62
sjwright wrote: post #25

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It's not paint but Preview.app can crop, edit and annotate screenshots. A handy tip is to include control in the Mac screenshot keyboard command (e.g. ⌘⇧⌃3) to have the output piped to the clipboard instead of a file. Then in Preview.app, File > New opens the contents of the clipboard in a new window. While I'm at it, ⌘⇧4 (and ⌘⇧⌃4) lets you interactively select an arbitrary region. Also ⌘⇧4–Space (and ⌘⇧⌃4–Space) le…

Preview.app fucking sucks. There are a handful of truly obnoxious sins that OS X commits, and not providing a graphics editing application with full access to the pixel raster is one of them. Other sins include no trivial click path to instantiating an empty file on the desktop. One must open an application and either issue a command ( touch or similar) or save an empty file with the application used (TextEdit.app fo…

> Have you met or spoken with younger non-technical people lately. They are lost and beyond clueless about a lot of important things.

They just have different ideas about what's important. Back in the early 1990's, I volunteered in the medical education office of a Houston area hospital. This is the office that ran the residency program responsible for training doctors. Important and life saving stuff.

Anyway, one of the admins there was a DOS Wordperfect user with something like 10,000 files in a single directory on her hard disk. It wasn't the most efficient way of organizing files, but it worked for her and let her focus on the business of getting doctors trained.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by sjwright »

tritium wrote: post #62
sjwright wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not paint but Preview.app can crop, edit and annotate screenshots. A handy tip is to include control in the Mac screenshot keyboard command (e.g. ⌘⇧⌃3) to have the output piped to the clipboard instead of a file. Then in Preview.app, File > New opens the contents of the clipboard in a new window. While I'm at it, ⌘⇧4 (and ⌘⇧⌃4) lets you interactively select an arbitrary region. Also ⌘⇧4–Space (and ⌘⇧⌃4–Space) le…

Preview.app fucking sucks. There are a handful of truly obnoxious sins that OS X commits, and not providing a graphics editing application with full access to the pixel raster is one of them. Other sins include no trivial click path to instantiating an empty file on the desktop. One must open an application and either issue a command ( touch or similar) or save an empty file with the application used (TextEdit.app fo…

What you describe as the "dumbing down" of the file system is the inherent consequence of multi-user operating systems, i.e. a bias towards the user's home folders; clearly done to help users better organise their documents.

Meanwhile, power users are not even momentarily impeded, with key locations (such as the file system root) readily accessible from the Go menu. Or keyboard shortcuts. Or the terminal. Or from the dock, the sidebar, the desktop, the toolbar or anywhere else you wish, just by dragging it there. You only have to set this shit up once and it's there forever.

Pixel editing graphic applications are free and plentiful on all major desktop operating systems. MacOS doesn't ship with one that suits your needs, but consider that Windows doesn't ship with one that suits my needs. Q.E.D.

Your complaint that many end-users don't use computers the way you use computers is pure get off my lawn. Those young whippersnappers don't understand the motion of electrons or the byte endianness of various processor architectures? Back in my day, we had to punch holes into cards...

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by sjwright »

sneak wrote: post #63
tritium wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Preview.app fucking sucks. There are a handful of truly obnoxious sins that OS X commits, and not providing a graphics editing application with full access to the pixel raster is one of them. Other sins include no trivial click path to instantiating an empty file on the desktop. One must open an application and either issue a command ( touch or similar) or save an empty file with the application used (TextEdit.app fo…

What do you need empty files for?

I think he said they save you from having to surface the usual affordances through several settings in multiple preferences menus. Or something.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by sjwright »

mschaef wrote: post #69
nextlevelwizard wrote: post #21

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Hopefully not for same purpose as OP, since you can just do cmd+shift+4 and draw the region you want. Maybe Microsoft should implement something like this, so maybe shift+screen shot or something like that would let the user just draw rectangle over what they want captured.

No... cmd+shift+4 mostly covers that base for me. It's also a nice way to take quick measurements of screen dimensions. (Once the drag is started, will stop it without capturing an image. But for cropping images in general, zooming in, adding quick bits of emphasis, etc. - Paint is pretty useful. (It also has the benefit of working more or less the same way since pre-Windows 3.0, so the consistency is a nice thing.)

> cropping images in general, zooming in, adding quick bits of emphasis

Preview.app can do all of that.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by sjwright »

vtlynch wrote: post #59

Paint is one executable file, no? Getting rid of this does literally nothing to combat bloat and seems like a pointless move that will irritate users.

Yeah, but that executable file is like 335 kilobytes, or at least it was in Windows XP. * checks Win10 * My goodness it's 6,520 kilobytes now. At that rate of growth... * back of napkin math * KILL IT!!
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