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Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by scholia »

0xbear wrote: post #101

Does someone know of any serious "weight loss" books that are _rigorously evidence based_, without layman explanations, bad/outdated research, and bovine manure like confusing correlation with causation or relying on small, unrandomized population studies to confirm the author's preconceived notions for how things should be? I mean real, hard ass summary of today's best, most rigorous studies + some recommendations.

There's a good (old) talk where Stanford's Christopher Gardner researched different diet books with 311 women.

The Battle of the Diets: Is Anyone Winning (At Losing?) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eREuZEdMAVo

The study was announced at

https://med.stanford.edu/news/all-news/2007/03/stanford-diet...

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by caminante »

will_brown wrote: post #117
gruez wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For 300,000 of human existence except the past couple of centuries, humans did not use vaccines. It is always a good idea to hold off on vaccines. Not saying drinking sugary drinks is good, but your justification is bad

For 300,000 year children were'nt getting type 2 diabetes or fatty liver disease. For 4,500 year humans have been engaging in gavage or the forced feeding of animals to fatten them up, for example the popular French dish Foie Gras - french for fat liver - is liver of duck or goose force feed corn. If for the first time in history you concentrate the sugar found in corn and put it in beverages and regularly feed them…

>Not saying drinking sugary drinks is good, but your justification is bad

Parent isn't rejecting the questioning of sugar.

He's pointing out how the reasoning used is spurious.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by chiefalchemist »

hahajk wrote: post #89
spodek wrote: post #10

> The next time you tuck into a protein rich dinner, it may be a good idea to hold off on the sugary drinks. For 300,000 of human existence except the past few decades, humans drank no sugar-sweetened drinks. It is always a good idea to hold off on sugary drinks.

On the flip side, the idea of drinking mainly non-alcoholic water also emerged only in the past couple decades. Humans have been drinking beer/mead/wine since prehistory, which are basically sugar sweetened drinks left to ferment.

Children drinking alcohol?

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Post by mkrecny »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #120
spodek wrote: post #10

> The next time you tuck into a protein rich dinner, it may be a good idea to hold off on the sugary drinks. For 300,000 of human existence except the past few decades, humans drank no sugar-sweetened drinks. It is always a good idea to hold off on sugary drinks.

Amen. People are very confused. Just because they think something is okay for then doesn't make it so. In a short time we will pull our heads out of fats asses and realize that sugar is the nicotine of our era. It's not healthy. It has major health reprecussions. Etc. Unfortunately, fat, literally, makes you stupid. So embracing the obvious might as chose as it should be.

Fat makes you stupid?

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Post by namlem »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #120
spodek wrote: post #10

> The next time you tuck into a protein rich dinner, it may be a good idea to hold off on the sugary drinks. For 300,000 of human existence except the past few decades, humans drank no sugar-sweetened drinks. It is always a good idea to hold off on sugary drinks.

Amen. People are very confused. Just because they think something is okay for then doesn't make it so. In a short time we will pull our heads out of fats asses and realize that sugar is the nicotine of our era. It's not healthy. It has major health reprecussions. Etc. Unfortunately, fat, literally, makes you stupid. So embracing the obvious might as chose as it should be.

How does fat make you stupid? I've only seen claims to the contrary, that keto diets are good for the brain.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by chillwaves »

TillE wrote: post #110
chillwaves wrote: post #96

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Protein bars are heinous for any purpose other than getting in some calories and enjoying the taste. Anyone who thinks they are a good way to get protein for a diet are fooling themselves. Protein bars are candy bars + whey protein powder. Why not skip the candy bar part of the equation and just supplement protein directly if that is what you are after?

Because shakes are a lot less convenient. I wonder what the difficulties are in engineering a zero carbohydrate protein bar (with artificial sweetener if necessary); there are plenty of "low carb" bars on the market which of course still have a ton of sugar.

I'm not sold on the artificial sweeteners, so I try to minimize. For me I just bring 2 scoops of whey pro in a blender bottle and add water after the workout. It's pretty easy. Doesn't taste great but it is manageable.

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Post by mgberlin »

0xbear wrote: post #101

Does someone know of any serious "weight loss" books that are _rigorously evidence based_, without layman explanations, bad/outdated research, and bovine manure like confusing correlation with causation or relying on small, unrandomized population studies to confirm the author's preconceived notions for how things should be? I mean real, hard ass summary of today's best, most rigorous studies + some recommendations.

I don't know of any books, but my favorite online resource is examine.com. They do an excellent job of presenting real research in an understandable but cited way.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by beagle3 »

NikolaeVarius wrote: post #109
beagle3 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says that different composition of X calorie in induces different calorie out spent on metabolism. That means short of living in a sealed chamber that measures everything, "calorie out" precision is so low that makes it a much less useful measure if you are trying to gain or lose weight.

No it doesn't. If you're not losing weight, it just means eat less. Every single fitness board ever knows that its impossible to know exactly how much you're consuming or exerting. Which is why you're supposed to just drop another 250 calories a day until you start losing weight again.

... which means the CI - CO is a useless equation because CO cannot be measured reliably in a standard setting.

You know that obviously, and so do I, but there are a lot of people (including here on HN) who argue that eating an Apple daily and otherwise not changing anything is guaranteed to make you gain weight, and that's just not true.

You say "cut 250" but the article just gave an example that 120 cals of different composition were netting amounts different by 40. That's a 30 percent difference based on composition.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by beagle3 »

steveplace wrote: post #102
beagle3 wrote: post #6

Note that (at least the summary indicates) this experiment refutes "calories in calories out" theory - food composition affects thermogenesis. (I am not talking about the tautological and useless thermodynamic sense in which it definitely is true; I am talking about the "measure your intake and exercise" crowd)

Weight Change = CI - CO Where CO has a CI input. This has been known for while. Protein has a thermic effect which can change your CO. But the equation still works.

On the useless tautological sense. If you can't measure CO to within 20%, can hardly measure CI to within that range - then for all practical purposes, the equation does not work.

You may want to read about (lack of) precision in Atwater factors, to the tune of 50%, if you believe CI is easy to compute.

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