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Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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For 300,000 of human existence except the past couple of centuries, humans did not use vaccines. It is always a good idea to hold off on vaccines. Not saying drinking sugary drinks is good, but your justification is bad

This is not a good comparison. Your counter analogy is equally bad.

The parent is disagreeing with the reasoning, not the conclusion.

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post #73

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For 300,000 of human existence except the past couple of centuries, humans did not use vaccines. It is always a good idea to hold off on vaccines. Not saying drinking sugary drinks is good, but your justification is bad

This is not a good comparison. Your counter analogy is equally bad.

you're all faggots, how 'bout dem apples?

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Fruit juice? Does fructose vs sucrose make a difference?

Not really. Sucrose is basically one part glucose and one part fructose. I think what matters is the amount of sugars, not the type of sugars.

The way your body metabolizes different sugars is different and certainly important/relevant. The knowledge required to explain these differences is outside the scope of a comment here, but I encourage you to do some research on how different types of sugars are processed by the body.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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> The next time you tuck into a protein rich dinner, it may be a good idea to hold off on the sugary drinks. For 300,000 of human existence except the past few decades, humans drank no sugar-sweetened drinks. It is always a good idea to hold off on sugary drinks.

Fruit juice? Does fructose vs sucrose make a difference?

In brief, current reasoning is that it does make a difference, and fructose is, if anything, worse for the body, metabolically speaking.

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> The next time you tuck into a protein rich dinner, it may be a good idea to hold off on the sugary drinks. For 300,000 of human existence except the past few decades, humans drank no sugar-sweetened drinks. It is always a good idea to hold off on sugary drinks.

Humans have been drinking fruit juices for a very long time...where do you think wine originated from?

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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There go protein bars... Does anyone know if artificial sweeteners hack the body to switch to "fat storage" mode as well? Like metabolism after Coke Zero with no sugar still causing excessive fat storage? Our bodies seem to use some silly heuristics all the time, like the one hacked by drinking plain water but with scent of a fruit in front of a nose, forcing brain thinking we drink juice...

Protein bars are heinous for any purpose other than getting in some calories and enjoying the taste. Anyone who thinks they are a good way to get protein for a diet are fooling themselves. Protein bars are candy bars + whey protein powder. Why not skip the candy bar part of the equation and just supplement protein directly if that is what you are after?

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This whole toxins thing is a load of crap. https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2014/dec/05/detox-m... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detoxification_(alternative_me...

This whole toxins thing is a load of crap. That's what I was always using bluntly in arguments with the 'detox crowd' until I learned about chelation therapy [1]. So it's not as simple as 'no way administering any substance will get rid of toxins'. Now, that doesn't mean there is any truth whatsoever in typical detox claims (think 'drink this tea for five days and you'll get rid of toxins stored in your body') but it…

Thank you for giving me a fair reading in the understandably controversial topic of diet.

I don't use "anti-toxin" as a magical detox, and never thought that's how people would interpret what I wrote but I believe you are correct and that's what's occurring. I mean it as consuming foods that maximize detoxification processes of the body (healthy pores, health liver function, healthy kidney function) and minimizing the introduction of toxins, but also minimizing foods that clog the processes. I even acknowledge toxins don't all come from diet, and promote not smoking and exercise (sweating to release toxins), I'm not exactly selling anti toxin snake oil.

Truthfully I don't put a great amount of stock in juicing and fasting in otherwise healthy diets, which can be fairly read into my OP - though I'm open minded and understand the latest science to suggest fasting promotes cellular health and longevity - so while nothing of magic I do believe they are tools for people whose systems are regularly over overwhelmed.

There was just a great article on HN about how far away we are from immortality and to date the greatest tools we have are diet and exercise, it was just an interview but if you can find it, you would be able to find the research group and their studies, I never went further but I felt like I had finally found another person discussing diet/nutrition in terms of cellular health. Also I find pharmacists and doctors know a lot about the Krebs cycle. Separately, I would recommend talking to athletes about their diets, it's my personal Favorite way of learning, from body builders to endurance athletes, I like to think they are the real diet hackers and has what lead me to the philosophy I outline above. Personally I could talk about every food I eat and why. Lastly, there are a ton of food industry/diet documentaries on Netflix, they are a mixed bag and I will go so far as to say selling snake oil or industry propaganda, that said if this stuff interests you watch them, one of my favorites is a "juicing" one called fat sick and dying (or something) and while it's a bit of a sales pitch it inspired me to begin consuming (juicing/eating) a wide variety of green veggies and the impact is so great on my health and running that the reality is greater than the snake oil they sell.

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The fruit that they used to have probably didn't resemble what you can go out and buy these days either. However, I don't think that looking at what humans ate millennia ago is a good indication of what we should do.

God forbid we discover our ancestors used to eat dirt.

Well they obiously had a lot more dirt in their diet by proxy. Fruit and veggies weren't as vigoriously washed as they are now, which is the reason why so many people are B12 deficient.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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i feel like a train isn't going to get anywhere on a tablespoon. That's enough for a few engine strokes perhaps, but that's hardly 30 times better than a mile by a human, no?

I'm not sure on the numbers but I know a human couldn't get freight moving even with a whole jar of peanut butter.

> I know a human couldn't get freight moving even with a whole jar of peanut butter.

This is probably one of the best serious sentences I've ever read.

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