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> It's just really hard to get serious VCs to pay attention to Pittsburgh. I'm an angel investor in a few dozen tech startups, about half in the Bay Area and half spread elsewhere around the country. The biggest problem with those outside of the Bay Area is that for lack of a better term "they don't think big enough". A lot of the promising ones turn into lifestyle-type businesses (e.g. a focus on services revenue in…
>> lifestyle-type businesses e.g. profitable.
Pittsburgh Gets a Tech Makeover
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Re: Pittsburgh Gets a Tech Makeover
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Can you speak to Pittsburgh's zoning policies? SF makes it nearly impossible to add a significant number of new housing units because the zoning policies don't allow less dense housing to be replaced with larger, taller apartment buildings. Hopefully Pittsburgh isn't like that.
Pittsburgh also has a lot of underdeveloped waterfront real estate and still has room to develop in a lot of areas within an hour (or closer) drive of downtown. Over the last 20 years, a lot of areas that used to be mills (all along the waterfronts) have become entertainment areas (restaurants, movie theaters, shops, and bars) with mid-sized apartment buildings or town houses that are in close proximity to them. Over…
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Can you speak to Pittsburgh's zoning policies? SF makes it nearly impossible to add a significant number of new housing units because the zoning policies don't allow less dense housing to be replaced with larger, taller apartment buildings. Hopefully Pittsburgh isn't like that.
Pittsburgh also has a lot of underdeveloped waterfront real estate and still has room to develop in a lot of areas within an hour (or closer) drive of downtown. Over the last 20 years, a lot of areas that used to be mills (all along the waterfronts) have become entertainment areas (restaurants, movie theaters, shops, and bars) with mid-sized apartment buildings or town houses that are in close proximity to them. Over…
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#35I lived in Pittsburgh for 17 years. I bootstrapped a company out of CMU, grew it to $25M/year in revenue and sold it to IBM. Pittsburgh is a great place to start a company, lots of tech talent, lots of support and exposure in the community, cheap rent. And it is today a much more enjoyable place to live than 20 years ago (great restaurant scene, bike paths, revitalized downtown). There are two big drawbacks: finding…
I've long found a third drawback, which may be linked to the access to capital issue, is Pittsburgh's geographical isolation compared to the Bay Area and other tech hot spots. There's no major international air hub (anymore) and flights even to nearby cities such as NY, DC, and Philly are relatively pricey with limited schedules. There's no meaningful international service either anymore. This is in comparison to SFO…
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#36Knowing the cost of living on both coasts in large cities, and wanting to be close to my midwest family, I really badly wanted a job in a techie midwest place. Pittsburgh and Minneapolis were the top choices, but I also considered everything I could in Chicago, Madison, Dayton, Ann Arbor, Detroit, Grand Rapids, and a handful of other one-offs.
I have to say I was so thoroughly disappointed by the types of jobs and job offers, particularly salary and compensation -- even adjusting for cost of living -- that it was just not doable.
The companies were pitching the same cramped, over-crowded "collaborative" open offices despite private office space being so much cheaper. The salaries were genuinely around half of what they are in Boston and New York for similar work, probably less than half compared with SF. It seemed that bonuses and significant equity compensation were also pared down.
In the end, I took a new job in New York and decided that living with any of the perfectly workable strategies to reduce cost of living here (mainly, live with roommates however you must to have a short commute) was absolutely worth it to make 2x salary, greater bonus potential, and greater equity, and, realistically, greater chances at career growth.
Don't get me wrong. I actively didn't want this choice and wanted the comfort of Pittsburgh, the possibility of actual home ownership, more private space (except that damn open plan office man), and easy drive to my extended family.
It was just not exonomically attractive to pay the cost of earning roughly 40% of the conpensation for this, especially compounded. Maybe if I am lucky to rise to a senior position in the future and can transfer with less of a pay cut, it would be good.
To put some numbers on it, I am an ML engineer, somewhere between midlevel and senior with about 6 years of experience and a graduate degree, and I was looking for non-management and non-research-focused ML engineering roles across companies like (formerly) Silicon Graphics, Uber, DuoLingo, Google, random start-ups, some finance and insurance firms in Chicago, and PNC Bank outside of Cleveland.
I earned just under 200k at my most recent long-term role in Boston prior to my current role in NYC, not including cash bonus and equity.
The best offer I found out of all the midwest searching was in Minneapolis, at 130k with small anount of equity and no bonus. Every other company suggested that, for their area, pushing 100k was the best they could do.
I've lived in the midwest a lot, and I know that financially, 220k - 250k plus career growth in NYC is probably better, in pure earnings terms, than say 120k in Pittsburgh. Obviously other considerations could make a midwestern city attractive despite lower earnings, but the gap was big enough for me that I decided the cramped city rat race will have to do for now.
My general feeling was that a lot of the new focus on the midwest as a tech job region was more or less a rebranding event, trying to rebrand jobs to enable companies to pay lower salaries and reduced compensation for the same value proposition from the engineer, even after adjusting for cost of living.
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Can you speak to Pittsburgh's zoning policies? SF makes it nearly impossible to add a significant number of new housing units because the zoning policies don't allow less dense housing to be replaced with larger, taller apartment buildings. Hopefully Pittsburgh isn't like that.
It is not. I am a fourth generation Pittsburgh native. The bigger problem is the NIMBYs in SF that vote for things like "zoning policies" to protect the value of their houses. This situation is a very uniquely San Francisco one. The vast majority of houses in Pittsburgh aren't million dollar homes (yet) so this NIMBY-ism just doesn't happen. It goes without saying that ludicrous regulations like "historically protect…
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#38As a Cleveland native, I look at Pittsburgh somewhat jealously as a city that is achieving what Cleveland has been slow to do over the last 30 years: find a post-industrial midwestern identity.
Both are very similar cities, they have more in common with each other than others in the rust belt.
Re: Pittsburgh Gets a Tech Makeover
#39I lived in Pittsburgh for 17 years. I bootstrapped a company out of CMU, grew it to $25M/year in revenue and sold it to IBM. Pittsburgh is a great place to start a company, lots of tech talent, lots of support and exposure in the community, cheap rent. And it is today a much more enjoyable place to live than 20 years ago (great restaurant scene, bike paths, revitalized downtown). There are two big drawbacks: finding…
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I've long found a third drawback, which may be linked to the access to capital issue, is Pittsburgh's geographical isolation compared to the Bay Area and other tech hot spots. There's no major international air hub (anymore) and flights even to nearby cities such as NY, DC, and Philly are relatively pricey with limited schedules. There's no meaningful international service either anymore. This is in comparison to SFO…
With the increase in speed limit on the turnpike, DC has become just under 4 hours for me. From my house in the city to the Silver Spring metro stop is 3h 55m on the GPS. Toronto is a 6 hour drive, Charlotte or Chicago are also only a 7 hour drive. I know many people prefer to fly, but between getting to the airport, getting there in enough time (1.5 hours or so), probable delays, actually flying, getting out of the…