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Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by barking »

wolco wrote: post #26
barking wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except swimming where a lot of calories are burned to maintain body temperature. The number of calories top swimmers have to eat per day dwarfs those of other sports I believe. In fact I believe being cold in general is a good idea all else being equal if you want to lose weight but the advantage of water is that it's a better conductor of heat out of your body than air is.

Cold in general prompts the body to begin to hold fat. Heat makes breaking of bonds easier.

Yes but if the body is trying to maintain normal body temperature it is necessary to burn fat if you are not eating to excess.

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Post by DiThi »

zython wrote: post #8

Lately I've been having this feeling that the pseudo science of nutrition (not talking about the researchers but the food and lifestyle artists on social media) makes it very hard to find out what a good diet is and what isnt. Meat ? Bad unless it isnt. Dairy and Eggs ? Even worse except when it isnt. Vegan/vegetarian nutrition ? The worst except, you guessed it, when it isnt. If you dont believe me just google any f…

A very big problem has been the misunderstanding of fat that people still have to this date, leading to glaring contradictions. This video (and the other videos of the channel) explains very well the topic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5S6-v37nOtY (text version and sources in the description)

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by ulber »

bitL wrote: post #18

There go protein bars... Does anyone know if artificial sweeteners hack the body to switch to "fat storage" mode as well? Like metabolism after Coke Zero with no sugar still causing excessive fat storage? Our bodies seem to use some silly heuristics all the time, like the one hacked by drinking plain water but with scent of a fruit in front of a nose, forcing brain thinking we drink juice...

The control group in this study was drinking an artificially sweetened drink in place of the sugary one. Otherwise, this answer [1] refers to recent studies having shown insulin rising from artificial sweeteners, but says the research on links to actual weight gain is still ongoing (I have no idea if that answer is current).

[1] http://www.health.harvard.edu/diabetes/ask-the-doctor-do-art...

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by rebuilder »

bitexploder wrote: post #15
astrange wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exercise is a bad way to increase calories out, because it's just too efficient. The conversion is something like 1 mile run = 1 tbsp peanut butter.

Assuming you meant inefficient. It is exceedingly difficult for people to make lifestyle change. Some shockingly small percentage of people lose 40 lbs and keep it off. I have an anecdotal idea that, basically, folks who are fit enough to exercise off 1000-1500 calories every week and do so are the ones that never have to lose the weight in many cases. Finally, although inefficient in the thermodynamic sense, I think…

Moving the mass of a human body over a mile on one tablespoon of fuel is highly efficient!

Edit: tablespoon, not tea-

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Post by syntheticnature »

bitexploder wrote: post #15
astrange wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exercise is a bad way to increase calories out, because it's just too efficient. The conversion is something like 1 mile run = 1 tbsp peanut butter.

Assuming you meant inefficient. It is exceedingly difficult for people to make lifestyle change. Some shockingly small percentage of people lose 40 lbs and keep it off. I have an anecdotal idea that, basically, folks who are fit enough to exercise off 1000-1500 calories every week and do so are the ones that never have to lose the weight in many cases. Finally, although inefficient in the thermodynamic sense, I think…

Inefficient for weight loss, efficient in a fuel per work done sense.

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Post by DiThi »

charlesdm wrote: post #20
tomxor wrote: post #14

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I know what you mean, and my answer probably wont be very satisfying to you: Use common sense, eat what your grandma tells you (if you have a good grandma), ignore all the crap on the internet which is 90% confusing rubbish (with the exception of some scientific studies which can be insightful but not necessarily anything to base a diet on). Try to cook your own food at least half the time and have a balanced intake…

Personal experience: I lost some weight using a low carb diet, and now I'm slowly switching back. Basically I've cut back on everything processed, because frankly most of it is garbage. Cooking using good quality foods (veg + fresh fish and/or meat) does a lot + I feel much better. If I do go for a sugary treats, then it's some good quality artisanal chocolate instead of mass produced crap. One downside: I noticed my…

> One downside: I noticed my bi-weekly shopping bills to have definitely gone up.

Mine has gone down after switching to eggs as default go-to food.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by 2muchcoffeeman »

ClassyJacket wrote: post #28
gaius wrote: post #21

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Fruit juice? Does fructose vs sucrose make a difference?

While I don't have any hard facts or make any claims about what it does, the idea that fruit juice = fruit is likely inaccurate. Juicing seems to leave behind the fiber and concentrate the sugar. It seems at least plausible that there's a significant difference in the digestion and metabolism of each.

The fruit that they used to have probably didn't resemble what you can go out and buy these days either.

However, I don't think that looking at what humans ate millennia ago is a good indication of what we should do.

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by Lewton »

zython wrote: post #8

Lately I've been having this feeling that the pseudo science of nutrition (not talking about the researchers but the food and lifestyle artists on social media) makes it very hard to find out what a good diet is and what isnt. Meat ? Bad unless it isnt. Dairy and Eggs ? Even worse except when it isnt. Vegan/vegetarian nutrition ? The worst except, you guessed it, when it isnt. If you dont believe me just google any f…

> Meat ? Bad unless it isnt. Dairy and Eggs ? Even worse except when it isnt. Vegan/vegetarian nutrition ? The worst except, you guessed it, when it isnt.

What's good for me might not be what's good for you.

Lifestyle, genetics, gut biome can all make a huge difference in the way your body reacts to different foods

Re: Sugar-sweetened drinks with protein rich meal affect metabolism

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Post by mchannon »

gaius wrote: post #21
spodek wrote: post #10

> The next time you tuck into a protein rich dinner, it may be a good idea to hold off on the sugary drinks. For 300,000 of human existence except the past few decades, humans drank no sugar-sweetened drinks. It is always a good idea to hold off on sugary drinks.

Fruit juice? Does fructose vs sucrose make a difference?

I predict in the coming years we'll start referring to fructose as "bad sugar" and glucose/dextrose as "good sugar".

Sucrose, being a 50/50 compound of the two, thus inherits "bad sugar" from the fructose produced during digestion.

HFCS actually ranges from 29-55% fructose vs. glucose/dextrose (the highest being available in CocaCola freestyle soda machines), and can be better or worse than sucrose, but is generally equivalently bad.

Since dextrose is basically incompatible with acidic beverages and solidified candies, we're not likely to see fructose going away, either as a direct ingredient or as a metabolite.

If natural concentrated sweetener is considered, attempts to replace sucrose and fructose with dextrose-only sources like plain old corn syrup (POCS), rice syrup, and honey, might achieve some fascinating health benefits. Is it possible that we're fat only because we're eating the wrong kind of sugars?

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Post by fghtr »

zython wrote: post #8

Lately I've been having this feeling that the pseudo science of nutrition (not talking about the researchers but the food and lifestyle artists on social media) makes it very hard to find out what a good diet is and what isnt. Meat ? Bad unless it isnt. Dairy and Eggs ? Even worse except when it isnt. Vegan/vegetarian nutrition ? The worst except, you guessed it, when it isnt. If you dont believe me just google any f…

Harvard School of Public Health [0] provides advices backed by research and the main points did not change already for a long time. Meat is only recommended in small portions as well as diary [1].

[0] https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/

[1] https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/healthy-eating-...

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