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Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

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Post by mirimir »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #184
detaro wrote: post #183

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The parent doesn't mention anything about the devs doing anything "illegal" or that they should be "held accountable" for it by the state, so I'm not sure why you argue as if they do.

Yep. Once Tor is integrated and people start using it for darknet-type activities, it won't be possible to hold anyone accountable or to shut it down. It's decentralized. Personally I find the implications pretty fascinating.

That's the plan. The key aspects are anonymity, privacy and decentralization. What we get is democratization of freedom.

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Post by erikb »

tylersmith wrote: post #195
olegkikin wrote: post #101

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They can add the fees later, when (if) it gets popular. If the fees are low enough, forking it would be too much hassle.

As an OB dev myself, I could and would remove any amount of built in fees. We can make money providing services to users without rent seeking from everyone.

Yes, but you probably agree that putting ethics above money means there's a higher risk of losing the long term game in a capitalist world.

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Post by mtgx »

detaro wrote: post #183
Frogolocalypse wrote: post #180

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Another american who has this baffling belief that things that aren't given permission by the government are illegal. Which, in a country full of guns, is kind of interesting. By the rationale you just espoused, the gun manufacturers should be held accountable for the actions of their users. How about you start focusing on what THEY are doing that is supposedly 'illegal', instead of relying upon insinuation and surve…

The parent doesn't mention anything about the devs doing anything "illegal" or that they should be "held accountable" for it by the state, so I'm not sure why you argue as if they do.

He was saying he would be facilitating illegal drug trade. I think he was implying that he would be at least partially responsible.

At the end of the day, the law/Constitution doesn't hold Tor developers accountable for what happens over Tor (nor should it), and I see the OpenBazaar developers being in exactly the same position. I don't think this discussion is even worth having. The case is settled from my point of view and such discussions only serve to cause FUD around the product.

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Post by Evelin789 »

csuwldcat wrote: post #207
matthewbauer wrote: post #206

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I thinks it totally different. At the end of the day, the law could reach the original Internet. It really wasn't much different than telephone lines. Encryption is where everything changes. I think everyone should be at least a little bit nervous about where these crypto technologies are taking us. Once criminals learn how to use this technology, there's probably no going back.

Drug purchasing sites have actually helped reduce violence and crime associated with prohibited items/activities. I'm more nervous about where authoritarian government is taking us.

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Post by Too »

thomastjeffery wrote: post #43
matthewbauer wrote: post #26

Am I the only one here that gets a little terrified by this kind of thing? I mean I'm fine if they're just selling recreational drugs. But, we all know that there are much worse things people will be selling on these crypto markets than just plain old LSD and marijuana. Can we find a way to help law enforcement police at the very least the really, really bad stuff?

> Can we find a way to help law enforcement police at the very least the really, really bad stuff? Law enforcement was designed to protect people (or their property) from the actions of other people , not themselves . Law enforcement is fundamentally incapable of protecting people from themselves. That is why the "war on drugs" has been so ineffective. The most effective method to stop the drug (opioid, etc.) epidemi…

> Law enforcement was designed to protect people (or their property) from the actions of other people, not themselves.

Not true in countries where a very large portion of the taxes I pay go to free health care and unemployment grants.

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Post by noloblo »

SamPatt wrote: post #156
kvee wrote: post #154

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It won't let me buy anything from any of the vendors I've tried It says: "The vendor's server has rejected the purchase request. This may be due to a connection issue. Check your purchase data, such as quantity and Bitcoin refund address, to make sure it is valid. If it is valid, try again in a few seconds. Reason: vendor rejected contract". I've also gotten " Reason: unable to reach vendor" Has anyone successfully b…

I run the main OB store, and I haven't noted problems selling. One of the difficulties of running a p2p network is that you cannot control how up to date the software is from other peers. We try to keep as much compatibility as possible when making changes, but the network has been live over a year now and never everyone stays updated. Many of the problems we had with the current version are also alleviated with the…

I got an error too

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Post by int_19h »

matthewbauer wrote: post #26

Am I the only one here that gets a little terrified by this kind of thing? I mean I'm fine if they're just selling recreational drugs. But, we all know that there are much worse things people will be selling on these crypto markets than just plain old LSD and marijuana. Can we find a way to help law enforcement police at the very least the really, really bad stuff?

> Can we find a way to help law enforcement police at the very least the really, really bad stuff?

Much like strong end-to-end crypto has already made it extremely hard to investigate potential criminal activity via wiretapping, and will make it impossible in the future once it's ubiquitous, cryptocurrencies and decentralized markets will do the same to the ability of the governments to track crimes by following the money.

It's not really a good thing or a bad thing, it's just a thing. Regulating it is not feasible (you can ban crypto, but enforcing that ban is another matter entirely), so societies will have to adapt.

The more interesting question is, what does it do to the ability to tax. "Diamond Age" comes to mind...

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Post by noloblo »

jesalg wrote: post #118
mike-cardwell wrote: post #112

Installed. Run. First screen: Select your language. English already selected. Hit "Next". Nothing happens. No apparent way of actually selecting a language or proceeding. Uninstalled.

Ran into this same issue. Peeked into the developer tools window. Looks like a bug in: onboardingModal.js:177 Uncaught TypeError: Cannot read property 'css' of undefined Had to change line 177 to this so I can move forward: var oldPos = 0//parseInt(this.accWin.css('left').replace("px", "")),

I got this weird error too in my mac

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Post by int_19h »

peterhunt wrote: post #70
jstanley wrote: post #61

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That's somewhat of a strawman argument: if you think dealing crack is the same as dealing human beings, where do you even draw the line? Is it not OK to deal in anything, on the basis that it could be a human being if you changed it to a human being? The difference when dealing a human being is it's no longer a transaction between only Alice and Bob. There's now a third person involved who has every right to object t…

Law enforcement needs the same set of tools to solve both of these problems. You are proposing that these tools should go away, right?

These tools will go away. You can't put that genie back in the bottle.
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