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Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

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Since you have merged PRs allowing use via Tor, you seem to be tacitly encouraging Open Bazaar to be used by those who want to hide their identity. In the wake of the recent darknet market closures, people have been saying that the drug trade might move to decentralized markets like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14828864 As facilitators of this technology, do you have an opinion on how it should be used?…

Keep in mind that OpenBazaar has been used for over a year now, and only a small minority of the trade has been illicit. Most people just want a platform where they can buy / sell in crypto and avoid marketplace fees. We built OpenBazaar to be an agnostic protocol for trade online. It's like any other protocol in that it's neutral, and people can use it how they please. I don't like the idea of people using it for im…

After digging into some Reddit comments, this reply appears to downplay the extent to which you're directly facilitating the darknet market migration.

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oifak/is_it_po...

"Well if the devs want massive adoption and 2.0 is functional then getting it to work on tails in the next 3 months will get them that."

"If someone would post an eli18 walkthrough on how to config tails so that OB 2.0 will work when that comes out that'd be great."

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6opqii/i_read_s...

"It's actually about to enter the alpha testing phase. Tor is working with some manual steps. You can test out a week-old build here."

The situation appears to be that OpenBazaar has been used for a year for mostly legal trade due to the technical hurdles of using Open Bazaar with identity-hiding software like Tor and Tails. In fact, OpenBazaar does not work at all on Tails, though work is ongoing to promote this use case (https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oifak/is_it_po...) and a release with Tor support is scheduled for August.

In fact, most of the recent activity on the OpenBazaar subreddit has been questions about exactly that: sale of illegal substances. https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oigt2/so_i_hea...

It feels like Open Bazaar is poised to become the next Silk Road. The keystone to achieve that is Tor support plus a Tails walkthrough guide. Both of these seem to be on the verge of being released.

I just wanted to clarify for onlookers that the Open Bazaar team seems to be going into this with both eyes open.

Developing a protocol is one thing. Going out of your way to enable anonymity as a means of acquiring users is a very interesting tactic. It's doubly interesting to repeatedly claim that Open Bazaar was not developed as a darknet market and "may not work for that use case" while also accepting merge requests for Tor support and eventually providing binaries that will work on Tails.

According to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14829076 OB has taken $4M of investment. Perhaps investors are pushing you to acquire users. The DarkNet market crowd is certainly a large target market. Or perhaps all of your intentions are as transparent as you claim, and you're innocently laying the foundation to become the next Silk Road -- an unstoppable decentralized market accountable to no one.

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

#172

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That was the case when the network was clogged, which should be much better now. For a 250-byte (avg) transaction you should be fine with 0.0006 BTC ($1.68, 2.8% of $60). https://bitcoinfees.21.co/ You're right, bitcoin became expensive for small purchases, which is what the whole recent debacle was about. Hopefully Segwit2X fixes this, at least for a while.

Do you know when this UASF stuff is happening, or if it has already happened, who won, or what looks like it's going to win? It's been a confusing few days...

> It's been a confusing few days...

It certainly has. Not sure what your knowledge is, but the main discussion re scalability in bitcoin recently has been about the activation of segregated witness (i.e. segwit)

There's still one hurdle to get over over the next few days called UESF (User Enforced Soft Fork) that miners have SAID they agree to. The method for this is a thing called BIP91, and it will orphan off blocks from other miners that don't signal they are ready for segwit. Segwit itself (BIP141) requires 95% of miners over the space of ~2000 blocks to signal segwit activation. BIP91 only builds on blocks that signal BIP141, which is how they get to 95%. Almost 100% of miners have already indicated that they will do this. It should start in a few hours?

The problem right now is that lots of people have said they're going to do something, but the question is whether the nodes that define and police consensus in bitcoin are capable of enforcing the BIP91 orphaning. It SHOULD go off without a hitch, but given bitcoin over the last six months, there are no guarantees. If all goes well, bip91 will start orphaning non bip141 blocks, the new ~2000 period of BIP141 activation testing will start, >95% of blocks will be BIP141, and segwit will activate in about three weeks. That will essentially allow bitcoin to double the transaction throughput.

2nd layer solutions and hard-forks sheduled for three months (that are never going to happen) are a discussion for another day.

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

#173

I work on OpenBazaar and I'm happy to answer questions. This website links to the current version of OpenBazaar, but we're just about to launch a completely new version, which you can read about here: https://medium.com/openbazaarproject/openbazaar-2-0-p2p-trad... The 2.0 is built with Go and uses IPFS. It's open source and we welcome any developers into the project: https://github.com/OpenBazaar/openbazaar-go

Since you have merged PRs allowing use via Tor, you seem to be tacitly encouraging Open Bazaar to be used by those who want to hide their identity. In the wake of the recent darknet market closures, people have been saying that the drug trade might move to decentralized markets like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14828864 As facilitators of this technology, do you have an opinion on how it should be used?…

Dear Vint Cerf, since you have created TCP-IP, and another contemporary of yours - HTTP, you seem to be tacitly encouraging a decentralized worldwide exchange of information used by billions around the globe to facilitate exchange of ideas, pleasure, and commerce, free from government censor...

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

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> How are there no fees and restrictions? _Someone_ is paying the TX fees. Who? It can't be a single party, especially the developers, without betraying the decentralization. > Pay with 50+ cryptocurrencies on OpenBazaar: Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin, Zcash, Dash, etc. Seller receives payment in Bitcoin How does this work without a middleman or central party?

Right now it's with ShapeShift, but down the road you could use cross-chain swaps to accomplish something similar

> but down the road you could use cross-chain swaps

aka the holy grail in crypto.

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

#175
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I'm sure you still have to pay Bitcoin transaction fees. They should really say that there are no additional fees to use Open Bazaar since it is open source.

They should really move to Ethereum. I have regularly been paying ~$0.01 for transactions that verify in under a minute.

> They should really move to Ethereum.

The project is opensource. If you feel there are features that you would like to have in it, I'm sure they will appreciate your input to the project.

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

#176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since you have merged PRs allowing use via Tor, you seem to be tacitly encouraging Open Bazaar to be used by those who want to hide their identity. In the wake of the recent darknet market closures, people have been saying that the drug trade might move to decentralized markets like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14828864 As facilitators of this technology, do you have an opinion on how it should be used?…

Dear Vint Cerf, since you have created TCP-IP, and another contemporary of yours - HTTP, you seem to be tacitly encouraging a decentralized worldwide exchange of information used by billions around the globe to facilitate exchange of ideas, pleasure, and commerce, free from government censor...

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Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

#177

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Keep in mind that OpenBazaar has been used for over a year now, and only a small minority of the trade has been illicit. Most people just want a platform where they can buy / sell in crypto and avoid marketplace fees. We built OpenBazaar to be an agnostic protocol for trade online. It's like any other protocol in that it's neutral, and people can use it how they please. I don't like the idea of people using it for im…

After digging into some Reddit comments, this reply appears to downplay the extent to which you're directly facilitating the darknet market migration. https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oifak/is_it_po... "Well if the devs want massive adoption and 2.0 is functional then getting it to work on tails in the next 3 months will get them that." "If someone would post an eli18 walkthrough on how to config tails s…

You're wrong that they are supporting illegal dark type uses. The team has background in the American intelligence community. Some people are saying their aim is to push toward a backdoored or monitorable supposed darknet.

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

#178

I work on OpenBazaar and I'm happy to answer questions. This website links to the current version of OpenBazaar, but we're just about to launch a completely new version, which you can read about here: https://medium.com/openbazaarproject/openbazaar-2-0-p2p-trad... The 2.0 is built with Go and uses IPFS. It's open source and we welcome any developers into the project: https://github.com/OpenBazaar/openbazaar-go

Since you have merged PRs allowing use via Tor, you seem to be tacitly encouraging Open Bazaar to be used by those who want to hide their identity. In the wake of the recent darknet market closures, people have been saying that the drug trade might move to decentralized markets like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14828864 As facilitators of this technology, do you have an opinion on how it should be used?…

Why does everything have to be subject to govt control?

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

#179

I work on OpenBazaar and I'm happy to answer questions. This website links to the current version of OpenBazaar, but we're just about to launch a completely new version, which you can read about here: https://medium.com/openbazaarproject/openbazaar-2-0-p2p-trad... The 2.0 is built with Go and uses IPFS. It's open source and we welcome any developers into the project: https://github.com/OpenBazaar/openbazaar-go

Hello, I looked at OpenBazaar and it looks to be organized around physical goods (which is great, great job on the tool). Is there a marketplace I can use to sell digital goods and receive BTC for automatically?

We support digital goods and services as well, physical goods have just been the most popular so far.

We don't have the automation nailed down quite yet so for now you still need to manually process orders.

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

#180

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Keep in mind that OpenBazaar has been used for over a year now, and only a small minority of the trade has been illicit. Most people just want a platform where they can buy / sell in crypto and avoid marketplace fees. We built OpenBazaar to be an agnostic protocol for trade online. It's like any other protocol in that it's neutral, and people can use it how they please. I don't like the idea of people using it for im…

After digging into some Reddit comments, this reply appears to downplay the extent to which you're directly facilitating the darknet market migration. https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oifak/is_it_po... "Well if the devs want massive adoption and 2.0 is functional then getting it to work on tails in the next 3 months will get them that." "If someone would post an eli18 walkthrough on how to config tails s…

Another american who has this baffling belief that things that aren't given permission by the government are illegal. Which, in a country full of guns, is kind of interesting. By the rationale you just espoused, the gun manufacturers should be held accountable for the actions of their users.

How about you start focusing on what THEY are doing that is supposedly 'illegal', instead of relying upon insinuation and surveillance.

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