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If borders were open

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Re: If borders were open

#21
post #5

This is only a good idea if we ignore that a billion people would migrate in a few months in an attempt to escape poverty. The results would be catastrophic.

FTA: > If the worry is that future migrants might not pay their way, why not charge them more for visas, or make them pay extra taxes, or restrict their access to welfare benefits? Such levies could also be used to regulate the flow of migrants, thus avoiding big, sudden surges

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Re: If borders were open

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post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These guys basically believe in magic soil, and that the inhabitants of "rich countries" are inherently interchangeable. The institutions just magically appeared separate from culture and demographics.

Institutions are mostly policies, procedures and process. What's the difference between a well-run company and poorly-run one? Would you rather work in a team of geniuses with no process, or a team of average developers who follow best practices?

> Institutions are mostly policies, procedures and process.

Which are influenced by culture

> What's the difference between a well-run company and poorly-run one?

Mostly culture in my opinion

Re: If borders were open

#23
post #16

> Gallup, a pollster, estimated in 2013 that ... 42m would move to Britain. That's about 5 London's. Where would these people live? Will cities magically appear from the ground? UK favellas?

I imagine the migrants would get paid by other migrants to build the hypothetical cities. That is the way literally every US city happened after all — well, migrants or their descendants.

Re: If borders were open

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post #19
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That isn't a major risk — why don't all the people living in relative poverty in your nation move to the richest district of your richest city?

Because they couldn't afford it. Straight-to-welfare refugees don't have to worry about generating income.

Refugees and migrants are different categories. Refugees are, in some cases, forbidden from seeking work, even if they want to.

Re: If borders were open

#25
post #6

>European countries, such as Sweden, migrants are more likely to get into trouble than locals, but this is mostly because they are more likely to be young and male. I don't even know where to start with this. Could it be that young and male aren't the core of the issue? I like how the article almost dismisses the realities of religious and racial conflicts. Then there is this: >If the worry is that immigrants will ou…

Not to mention the social welfare systems would collapse.

No. What do you base this on?

Re: If borders were open

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post #6

>European countries, such as Sweden, migrants are more likely to get into trouble than locals, but this is mostly because they are more likely to be young and male. I don't even know where to start with this. Could it be that young and male aren't the core of the issue? I like how the article almost dismisses the realities of religious and racial conflicts. Then there is this: >If the worry is that immigrants will ou…

> Could it be that young and male aren't the core of the issue? Young males commit most crimes all over the world. If you have an alternative explanation, I'd like to see strong statistical evidence to back it up.

Even if you restrict yourself to young males then immigrants have a disproportionate share in crime at least in Germany, actually immigrants in Germany commited ~40% of all crimes in 2015, with a rapid increase in the last few years. It is also pretty obvious on the street level: drugs for example are primarily sold by immigrant gangs, for example africans with turkish bosses.

Re: If borders were open

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>One seemingly simple policy could make the world twice as rich as it is: open borders.

In this utopian paradise the author describes is he willfully ignoring the fact that different cultures exist? Not all cultures are equal, no matter what the current narrative tells you. This is a terrible, empty article.

>If lots of people migrated from war-torn Syria, gangster-plagued Guatemala or chaotic Congo, would they bring mayhem with them? It is an understandable fear (and one that anti-immigrant politicians play on), but there is little besides conjecture and anecdotal evidence to support it.

Alright now this empty article turned insidious.

Re: If borders were open

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post #5

This is only a good idea if we ignore that a billion people would migrate in a few months in an attempt to escape poverty. The results would be catastrophic.

> if we ignore that a billion people would migrate in a few months in an attempt to escape poverty.

The article specifically discusses this.

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