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Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

#131

Post by SamPatt » Sat, Jul 22, 2017, 11:46 PM UTC

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #128

SamPatt wrote: post #114

I work on OpenBazaar and I'm happy to answer questions. This website links to the current version of OpenBazaar, but we're just about to launch a completely new version, which you can read about here: https://medium.com/openbazaarproject/openbazaar-2-0-p2p-trad... The 2.0 is built with Go and uses IPFS. It's open source and we welcome any developers into the project: https://github.com/OpenBazaar/openbazaar-go

Since you have merged PRs allowing use via Tor, you seem to be tacitly encouraging Open Bazaar to be used by those who want to hide their identity. In the wake of the recent darknet market closures, people have been saying that the drug trade might move to decentralized markets like this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14828864 As facilitators of this technology, do you have an opinion on how it should be used?…

Keep in mind that OpenBazaar has been used for over a year now, and only a small minority of the trade has been illicit. Most people just want a platform where they can buy / sell in crypto and avoid marketplace fees.

We built OpenBazaar to be an agnostic protocol for trade online. It's like any other protocol in that it's neutral, and people can use it how they please. I don't like the idea of people using it for immoral things, but that's their decision.

I know linking to a reddit thread might be heresy here, but I talked about the more on our subreddit (I'm CC_EF_JTF):

https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenBazaar/comments/6oi2k0/rules_of...

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

#132

Post by Victoria88 » Sat, Jul 22, 2017, 11:48 PM UTC

orf wrote: post #130

SamPatt wrote: post #114

I work on OpenBazaar and I'm happy to answer questions. This website links to the current version of OpenBazaar, but we're just about to launch a completely new version, which you can read about here: https://medium.com/openbazaarproject/openbazaar-2-0-p2p-trad... The 2.0 is built with Go and uses IPFS. It's open source and we welcome any developers into the project: https://github.com/OpenBazaar/openbazaar-go

This looks incredibly interesting, thank you! I have one question: how do you handle updates using IPFS? Say a seller updates the price of item X, then a user places an order while the seller is offline based on the older price (which is presumably cached in IPFS still)?

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Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

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Post by tylersmith » Sat, Jul 22, 2017, 11:48 PM UTC

acover wrote: post #62

jstanley wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is distributed over a peer-to-peer network.

They mention ipfs. Ipfs doesn't have a method of multiple people writing to one key. How do they tackle this problem? Edit: thanks in advance. I reached my time cap trying to find out

When a vendor creates a listing it's created as an ipfs file. Vistors download and seed them and we've added broadcasting so when you update your store changes will be pushed out to willing nodes preemptively.

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

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Post by SamPatt » Sat, Jul 22, 2017, 11:50 PM UTC

orf wrote: post #130

SamPatt wrote: post #114

I work on OpenBazaar and I'm happy to answer questions. This website links to the current version of OpenBazaar, but we're just about to launch a completely new version, which you can read about here: https://medium.com/openbazaarproject/openbazaar-2-0-p2p-trad... The 2.0 is built with Go and uses IPFS. It's open source and we welcome any developers into the project: https://github.com/OpenBazaar/openbazaar-go

This looks incredibly interesting, thank you! I have one question: how do you handle updates using IPFS? Say a seller updates the price of item X, then a user places an order while the seller is offline based on the older price (which is presumably cached in IPFS still)?

I'm not one of the developers, who would be able to answer this definitively (you can join our slack if you like to ask). But I believe it's accomplished by using IPNS for some of the calls instead of IPFS, to ensure that the data is up to date.

It does mean that one of the benefits of using IPFS - the seeding of data - only works when there aren't frequent changes to a store. The idea is setting a store up and being able to go offline for a few days while others seed, then when you come back online and make changes, the new changes need to get re-seeded again.

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

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Post by SamPatt » Sat, Jul 22, 2017, 11:54 PM UTC

mike-cardwell wrote: post #112

Installed. Run. First screen: Select your language. English already selected. Hit "Next". Nothing happens. No apparent way of actually selecting a language or proceeding. Uninstalled.

Sorry about that, we're looking into it now.

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

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Post by SamPatt » Sat, Jul 22, 2017, 11:55 PM UTC

avaer wrote: post #4

> How are there no fees and restrictions? _Someone_ is paying the TX fees. Who? It can't be a single party, especially the developers, without betraying the decentralization. > Pay with 50+ cryptocurrencies on OpenBazaar: Bitcoin, Ethereum, Litecoin, Zcash, Dash, etc. Seller receives payment in Bitcoin How does this work without a middleman or central party?

The platform itself has no fees. No cost to use the platform. There are fees associated with using Bitcoin or other cryptocurrencies.

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

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Post by SamPatt » Sat, Jul 22, 2017, 11:57 PM UTC

Xeoncross wrote: post #11

Nothing is free, so here are my brief ideas for funding this: - Ads - "premium features" for sellers - "promoted" sellers - Fees for those that want to be "Secure Escrow and Dispute Resolution" accounts

OpenBazaar is a completely p2p network. Since there's no middleman, there's no infrastructure to pay to maintain. People buy and sell stuff directly with each other, so it really is truly free.

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

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Post by kepler » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 12:07 AM UTC

Seems interesting but I couldn't get pass the language setup on Mac.

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

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Post by SamPatt » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 12:10 AM UTC

wuliwong wrote: post #28

symlinkk wrote: post #2

It's not anonymous at all right now. I believe they're working on Tor support for the future however.

how bout this? https://github.com/OpenBazaar/openbazaar-go/pull/342 A PR for "Tor"

That's in the 2.0 version (about to launch), but the current version doesn't support Tor.

Re: Open Bazaar – decentralized Bitcoin marketplace

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Post by StavrosK » Sun, Jul 23, 2017, 12:12 AM UTC

SamPatt wrote: post #134

orf wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This looks incredibly interesting, thank you! I have one question: how do you handle updates using IPFS? Say a seller updates the price of item X, then a user places an order while the seller is offline based on the older price (which is presumably cached in IPFS still)?

I'm not one of the developers, who would be able to answer this definitively (you can join our slack if you like to ask). But I believe it's accomplished by using IPNS for some of the calls instead of IPFS, to ensure that the data is up to date. It does mean that one of the benefits of using IPFS - the seeding of data - only works when there aren't frequent changes to a store. The idea is setting a store up and being…

IPFS is smart enough to handle changes per-object (maybe per-block even?), so you don't need to change everything, unchanged things still get seeded by the people who already had them.