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Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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Isn't the 3 strikes system for felonies?

Surprisingly, no. http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1143010...

Actually yes. But California allows some stupid felonies. Petty theft with priors can be charged as a felony, so, third strike can be shoplifting a candybar, since a third strike for stealing anything can be a felony at the prosecutor's discretion. So, it has to be three felonies, but the third doesn't have to be violent, and "prior conviction" upgrades make a lot of petty third strikes "felonies" in CA that would not be such elsewhere.

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I think this is brilliant. A very efficient way of policing and removing a lot of drugs from the market without spending a lot of public money and wasting time on the streets. Also the darknet is great as it reduces the violence associated with drug crime, by taking the drugs off the streets and into the legitimate courier business. You have to love technology sometimes.

I think that first line was meant to be sarcastic.

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I get this is (mostly) a tech site, but do we have to argue semantics every time?

It's not a semantic argument. It's important to make it plain, before having a reasoned discussion, that there are legal drugs that people use every day but wrongly categorizes as "not drugs." Alcohol, nicotine, and caffeine being the main culprits. Food, exercise, and social media also cause experience-shifting changes in neurotransmitters (the drugs that are always mediating your experience). It's important to get…

Added sugar

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Dutch police claiming to have de-anonimized Tor: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DFNMsZOXoAIBdZ2.jpg

I always find it incredible when these takedowns occur, how much effort they put into the graphical design. And it doesn't look like a hobby designer among the police did this, but they hired somebody. Also, considering this is a drug sting, which should be a really serious thing, it's strange that they make a joke on the page. I would expect a plain HTML page saying "This hidden service hosted illegal activities. Al…

http://rijkshuisstijl.nl/ (roughly "government house style / style guide")

We even have bespoke fonts, Rijksoverheid Serif and Rijksoverheid Sans: https://www.rijkshuisstijl.nl/basiselementen/lettertype

This image, however, seems to be a stock photo, the Dutch police logo, and white lettering. Given that it uses no less than four different fonts, I bet it was a quick paste job by someone from the cybercrime unit, not a professional graphic designer.

After some image searching, it turns out to be from a template: https://www.om.nl/publish/pages/51619/screenshot_zonder_brow...

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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You may want to consider how where you're getting news from is related to what they're saying.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say. Are you suggesting that Venezuela hasn't been undergoing a recent period of extreme economic and political turmoil and uncertainty?

No, something else.

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You can be held responsible. You don't have a right to obtain a substance just because you want it. It doesn't matter if it "goes in your body" or not. That's not how rights work. You have to justify the value to society.

It's exactly how rights work. Freedom of speech doesn't have to justify it's value to society, it's an innate right that's not up for vote. Google the founding fathers and natural law.

If freedom of speech didn't have to justify its value, you wouldn't need legislators to enact it as a law. Legislators aren't going to legislate without justification, and they shouldn't.

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> The counterargument is that if drugs are legalized then the crime syndicates will need to find a new line of work Is that a counter argument? There are bad actors (in society). Some bad actors have social, moral, physical, intellectual barriers that prevent them from acting WORSE. Raising the social barrier (marketplace) isn't any different than the social barrier (legality). If you rather not compete bad actors ou…

Society doesn't want to consider certain transactions to be legitimate. Allowing a marketplace for murder or human trafficking (or the other nefarious things organized crime gets up to) allows the most efficient and effective bad actors to prosper, as markets are designed to do. But society doesn't want bad actors to prosper, it wants them prevented from acting badly.

I agree. This is why the "counter-argument" doesn't make sense. It assumes that it's not preventative (so it's a negative effect?). Might as well let them carry on?

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I think this is brilliant. A very efficient way of policing and removing a lot of drugs from the market without spending a lot of public money and wasting time on the streets. Also the darknet is great as it reduces the violence associated with drug crime, by taking the drugs off the streets and into the legitimate courier business. You have to love technology sometimes.

It seems like your statements are contradictory. This bust was good because it reduced the amount of drugs being sold on dark net markets. Dark net markets are good because they reduce the amount of drugs being sold on the street. So which is it? Is it a good thing to take down the dark net markets or not?

It's both. From the legal point of view, it's good that drugs are removed from the market, and from a violence point of view, it's good that it's all on the darknet. By clamping down on a marketplace you're basically just attracting attention to it and more people will start using it for buying drugs, thus, there will be less violence as everything is moved online. Also, the police did their job in a much more efficient manner like this. So it's bad for the dealers involved, but ultimately good for society.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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I think this is brilliant. A very efficient way of policing and removing a lot of drugs from the market without spending a lot of public money and wasting time on the streets. Also the darknet is great as it reduces the violence associated with drug crime, by taking the drugs off the streets and into the legitimate courier business. You have to love technology sometimes.

A lot of org crime mail order wholesale to distribute at street level, it's how fentanyl got into my country so doesn't stop street trade. Same with Australia there are gangs here that flood the mail system with meth and fentanyl to their gang counterparts there hoping some get through as prices 3x higher there so can afford losses. Ending prohibition would shut all this down though I can't see any politicians surviv…

Yes, sadly a lot of wholesale is done at street level and supplied using the darknet, but at the same time, I see more end consumers purchasing online.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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post #37

I think this is brilliant. A very efficient way of policing and removing a lot of drugs from the market without spending a lot of public money and wasting time on the streets. Also the darknet is great as it reduces the violence associated with drug crime, by taking the drugs off the streets and into the legitimate courier business. You have to love technology sometimes.

I think that first line was meant to be sarcastic.

Not really. As a tax paying citizen I like to see good use of my tax money, and I think this is actually an efficient way of policing.
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