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China forces one of its Muslim minorities to install spyware on their phones

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Re: China forces one of its Muslim minorities to install spyware on their phones

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Wow, those chinese surely are totalitarian in the way they approach surveillance technology aren't they ? Good thing we have nothing like that. Only just closed hardware with closed or with some parts open complicated software mostly made by a few corporations which tend to and have in fact in past coopoerated with governments without even thinking about their customers.

Nobody forces you to use any software or hardware.

You kind of have to use something.

Re: China forces one of its Muslim minorities to install spyware on their phones

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Unfortunately, this isn't any different from what a variety of countries have been doing to muslims for the last 200 years. If your source of information is mainly the Media, I suggest you spend an afternoon browsing through Wikipedia and compare the numbers. The amount of terrorist attacks by 'so called muslims' (let's just say they are muslim for a moment) is minuscule by the amount of muslims killed by the west. E…

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Re: China forces one of its Muslim minorities to install spyware on their phones

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Unfortunately, this isn't any different from what a variety of countries have been doing to muslims for the last 200 years. If your source of information is mainly the Media, I suggest you spend an afternoon browsing through Wikipedia and compare the numbers. The amount of terrorist attacks by 'so called muslims' (let's just say they are muslim for a moment) is minuscule by the amount of muslims killed by the west. E…

why the downvotes

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post #39

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Muslims—and everyone rejoiced in their unity of hating them together.

Then they came for the Infidels -- and Allah and his messenger were glorified when the Fitnah were no more.

Re: China forces one of its Muslim minorities to install spyware on their phones

#65

Unfortunately, this isn't any different from what a variety of countries have been doing to muslims for the last 200 years. If your source of information is mainly the Media, I suggest you spend an afternoon browsing through Wikipedia and compare the numbers. The amount of terrorist attacks by 'so called muslims' (let's just say they are muslim for a moment) is minuscule by the amount of muslims killed by the west. E…

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post #39

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Socialist. Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Trade Unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Jew. Then they came for the Muslims—and everyone rejoiced in their unity of hating them together.

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Re: China forces one of its Muslim minorities to install spyware on their phones

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Unfortunately, this isn't any different from what a variety of countries have been doing to muslims for the last 200 years. If your source of information is mainly the Media, I suggest you spend an afternoon browsing through Wikipedia and compare the numbers. The amount of terrorist attacks by 'so called muslims' (let's just say they are muslim for a moment) is minuscule by the amount of muslims killed by the west. E…

Yea, from what I've seen it's mostly retaliation from surviving members of family and friends who were killed by Russia/US/Canada/UK etc, etc. The whole thing sucks all around.

Re: China forces one of its Muslim minorities to install spyware on their phones

#68

The headline is slightly misleading. It's not all muslim minorities in China: it's muslims living in the separatist Xinjiang region, who are ethnically Turkic. There are a non-insignificant number of muslims outside of Xinjiang, such as the Huizu, which are essentially Han Chinese muslims. Lots of the "terrorism" originating from Xinjiang has separatist rather than just religious motivations; I wouldn't be surprised…

Ok, we added "one of" to the title above.

Re: China forces one of its Muslim minorities to install spyware on their phones

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Elsewhere, I read that China doesn't allow Muslim civil servants and students from fasting during Ramadan. Was that only applying to this region or was applicable to other regions with non-Turkic Chinese Muslims?

It's mostly just xinjiang that gets shit on.

See e.g. http://time.com/3099950/china-muslim-hui-xinjiang-uighur-isl...

The TL;DR of it is that it has not much to do with religion specifically, and much to do with the region pushing for autonomy (which doesn't rate particularly high in the eyes of Beijing).

(This is not to say it's ok, just stating the reality of the situation)

Re: China forces one of its Muslim minorities to install spyware on their phones

#70

I suppose it would be easy to carry a secondary, hidden device and only use your primary device for inconspicuous activities?

It would likewise be easy for authorities to beat you within an inch of your life and jail you indefinitely for "hidden communication with a bad intent" or something similarly inane. They don't need you to unlock your phone for proof.

"Countermeasures" don't matter when there're a million ways to terrorize you, your family, and your friends into submission. They just have to suspect you.

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