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Re: YouTube Will Redirect Searches For Extremist Videos To Anti-Terrorist Playlists

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Post by awkwarddaturtle »

oelmekki wrote: post #10

Which also means journalists won't be able to access those videos as sources. Although, I'm not ready to call that a bad decision, because propaganda is indeed the biggest problem with ISIS. This is just treating the symptom, obviously (why do young people ever consider joining a terrorist group? Certainly not through youtube videos as the only factor), but also treating the symptom is ok if we try to solve the deepe…

> Which also means journalists won't be able to access those videos as sources

Journalists and news media are the biggest advocates for censorship on social media as it competes with their narrative.

> Although, I'm not ready to call that a bad decision, because propaganda is indeed the biggest problem with ISIS.

Most people equate ISIS with pure evil because of their propaganda. The biggest problem with ISIS is the killing/murders. Not their propaganda. Just because a few unhinged people are attracted to it doesn't mean that their propaganda is working.

> but also treating the symptom is ok if we try to solve the deeper problem at the same time (unemployment? defiance resulting from corruption?).

Don't forget the invasions of iraq/libya/syria/etc by our governments to destabilize the region. Which was supported by the traditional media.

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Post by g00gler »

freeflight wrote: post #35
wruza wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hiding any thing from the tops and news and making it underground makes it unpopular and orders of magnitude less spread. Imagine what would happen to spinner if youtube redirected it to something different. Real actions are already underground, extremism only uses public places to recruit masses to get better selection and financial support. Which is good to cut off. I bet you're living in first-world country saying…

> Real actions are already underground, extremism only uses public places to recruit masses to get better selection and financial support. And it's exactly these public places where their ideas need to be opposed. If you drive them, and their ideas, deeper into the underground there will be no one there to oppose any of their ideas, it will be yet another echo-chamber driven by a victim complex. > I bet you're living…

> If you drive them, and their ideas, deeper into the underground there will be no one there to oppose any of their ideas, it will be yet another echo-chamber driven by a victim complex.

Exactly. This is the same argument I pose with my neoliberal friend about Ann Coulter, Alex Jones, David Duke, etc.

"Think of the children!", I cry. If society refuses to acknowledge ideas that they find offensive the ideas don't go away, ignorance just goes unanswered.

Following this line of thinking, maybe it would be more useful for YouTube to recommend more moderate sermons/lectures to people who are looking for extremist videos.

Google could go a step further and insert ads for mental health when people view content like this. The public could also take this upon itself, especially in countries like the UK and Canada, purchasing ads for national mental health services targeting these users.

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Post by mistermann »

electriclove wrote: post #45
megous wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are also videos made by murderous dictatorial regimes as a recruitment tool. YouTube has no problem with that. There are videos made by US to get more cannon fodder for their wars which also killed millions of innocent people over the decades. Where do you stop? I'm fine with stopping recruitment videos for war, but at least do it on principle as against the war, not just against a few particular organizations.…

IMO, there is a difference between war and attacks on civilians.

One difference is, war kills far more civilians, typically by several orders of magnitude.

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Post by mistermann »

nerdponx wrote: post #48
alextheparrot wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get your point - we've slowly, and sometimes quite quickly, seen some of our rights eroded as a result of policies that are advertised as being anti-terrorist. Speaking directly to this policy, though, isn't your man premise that blow oneself up is bad enough in a vacuum unsupported? Many of these videos are crafted by the terrorist organizations as a recruitment tool. Wouldn't th see organizations not create them…

I get your point - we've slowly, and sometimes quite quickly, seen some of our rights eroded as a result of policies that are advertised as being anti-terrorist. Honestly when I first heard of ISIS I was pretty sure it was going to turn out to be some kind of "false alarm" excuse to continue war in the Middle East and continue curbing rights in the US. Somewhat like how Al Qaeda didn't really exist until the US start…

The fact that there always seems to be some new mortally dangerous enemy (who comes along just when it became unavoidably obvious the previous one was hardly a threat) makes one a little suspicious of the whole thing.

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Post by mistermann »

awkwarddaturtle wrote: post #59
freeflight wrote: post #12

This recent trend is really worrisome. YouTube also shut down quite a lot of channels in connection with the Syrian civil war. Reddit too closed down a couple of subreddits, and admins banned users who shared ISIS related content on the /r/syriancivilwar/ subreddit. What an utterly useless and counterproductive exercise in de facto censorship. The only thing this does is drive people deeper into the underground, even…

> Reddit too closed down a couple of subreddits It is disappointing what reddit has become in the past few years. From a genuine open platform to where the admins and the mods are now open and unabashed propagandists. It is also scary how the traditional media has so easily forced social media to conform to their standards. The promise of social media was that it was the anti-traditional media. Unfiltered, raw, sourc…

To be fair, is the problem with reddit not mostly subreddit moderators? Obviously reddit admins are guilty as well with modifying the algorithm to hide certain types of speech, but it seems to me the biggest problem is moderators.

For the time being, I think a widespread movement to create a well-known convention of /r/{subreddit}_uncensored would help things immensely.

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Post by abhi3 »

dangero wrote: post #26
IIAOPSW wrote: post #17

I hate the fact that if I voice anything skeptical of this policy someone will call me a terrorist sympathizer. I'm of the conviction that the idea of blowing yourself up is bad enough that we don't really need to censor it. Furthermore I've noticed that the public largely stops thinking the moment "terrorists" or "ISIS" is mentioned. We now live in a state where we can't move ~5000 USD without informing the governme…

The other day I was considering commenting in a negative way about something the NSA tweeted, but a voice in my head said, "Do you really want to be put on a special surveilance list?" That's when I realized our freedoms are under threat by those that are tasked with defending them. Think what you will about the NSA, but they certainly have not gone out of their way to make clear to me they care about my freedoms. Ly…

>Also more related to your comment the "don't watch ISIS videos it gives them power." I think it's misguided. Just out of curiousity I tracked down a couple of them online and it was very thought provoking. It did not make me fear ISIS more, but it did help me understand the situation more. Just not convinced intelligent people should avoid uncensored information collection

I think there has to be a better way to educate oneself/understand the situation than to watch terrorist propaganda. ISIS does not create videos 'to help people understand the situation more' but to radicalize suspectible people into becoming terrorists

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Post by [deleted] »

nerdponx wrote: post #46
dangero wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The other day I was considering commenting in a negative way about something the NSA tweeted, but a voice in my head said, "Do you really want to be put on a special surveilance list?" That's when I realized our freedoms are under threat by those that are tasked with defending them. Think what you will about the NSA, but they certainly have not gone out of their way to make clear to me they care about my freedoms. Ly…

+1 for watching ISIS videos. I needed to understand the situation, I needed to internalize it better. I watched an execution. I watched combat footage. And I am glad I did. I now understand the severity and urgency of the problem. I didn't use a VPN or anything. NSA, come get me.

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Post by mgiannopoulos »

thinkloop wrote: post #23

It's hard to tell what "redirect to playlists" means - will the relevant videos be completely censored, or are they adding a playlist of opposing views to the same results? The latter seems like a nice compromise.

>> Once we have this content in place, we create targeted advertising campaigns that serve this content directly to people who are searching for information about ISIS and the caliphate, as well as people who are trying to view extremist content online. We serve these ads the same way that businesses have been doing for years—we serve advertising against certain keywords that people tend to use when they’re looking for jihadist content online https://redirectmethod.org/qa/

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Post by mgiannopoulos »

It should be noted that this not an actual redirect. As I understand it, no content is hidden. The "redirect" name is terribly chosen.

All they do is add ads for other videos

From the FAQ >> Once we have this content in place, we create targeted advertising campaigns that serve this content directly to people who are searching for information about ISIS and the caliphate, as well as people who are trying to view extremist content online. We serve these ads the same way that businesses have been doing for years—we serve advertising against certain keywords that people tend to use when they’re looking for jihadist content online https://redirectmethod.org/qa/

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Post by StavrosK »

ricksharp wrote: post #24
StavrosK wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even if the video calls for none of those, you mean? Of course, like you, I would quite like to see all Christian videos banned, but I'm afraid it might set a precedent.

Really, because we must censor ideas like "love your enemies" and "treat others the way you want to be treated"? (Matthew 5:44) ( https://youtu.be/L0HhHLHLHaA ) I agree that abusers will use any name for their own means, but generalization of a group because of false persons who claim that group is never helpful. Of course there are the false teachers who use Christianity for their own power (i.e. televangelist types…

Yes, because none of Islam preaches love and none of Christianity preaches death to homosexuals.
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