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Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by bigbugbag »

webmaven wrote: post #150
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's unfortunate because back in ~2010 I used to open over 1,000 tabs in Chrome at a time. It's very useful when doing research: each window represents a topic, and each topic can spawn 30+ tabs. Nowadays Chrome keels over at around 150, like you say. It also leaks memory like a sieve, so if your hard drive is anywhere close to full you'll end up with a lovely OS X popup saying all your running programs have been fro…

Worth noting that average page size has ballooned ~5× in that same time period.

only 5x ? I would have said over 10x maybe even 20x.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by k__ »

bigbugbag wrote: post #448
ilaksh wrote: post #43

There are a lot of people who use tabs as bookmarks. Seems like a good way to keep the RAM industry going strong. Someone once told me (seriously) "I need at least 128 GB of RAM otherwise I can't keep my tabs open." But does everything you were interested in over the last X weeks or months really need to be loaded up? No, and if you use it like that then it can't preload stuff. I think the main lesson is that bookmar…

Bookmarks have been broken in browsers for more than a decade. Using bookmarks requires so much work and time that it makes no sense to use them.

How come?

First you have to create some categories, but that doesn't take long and then you simply throw bookmarks in these categories. the end.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by bigbugbag »

riri-au wrote: post #191
elfchief wrote: post #13

Wow. I've been getting more and more frustrated with how poorly Chrome handles even a moderately large number of tabs (~150), and it sounds like my savior is going to be ... Firefox. Huh. Wouldn't have guessed it, but I'll totally take it. I have a nice extension for Chrome called Quick Tabs that gives me a searchable list of my open tabs and makes it easy to find things I have open... anyone know which of the severa…

Firefox already does this - that's why it's the awesome bar. You can see it in action here https://youtu.be/pKE0Oc3yIBs?t=53

Awesome bar is nice, it's like using a crippled opera from 10 years ago.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by bigbugbag »

iamleppert wrote: post #352

Firefox is a case study in how performance really does matter. A lot. It used to be the best browser, and then something happened and it gradually became slow, really slow, while Chrome became fast. Who was in charge over at Mozilla during all this? Any engineering director worth their salt would have noticed what was happening and installed metrics that didn't let engineers commit code that caused performance regres…

I don't remember firefox being the best browser anytime in history, I don't remember firefox becoming slow over time either.

I do remember opera being years ahead of all major browsers and being copied right and left and I also remember most major browser (not IE) having similar performance.

Maybe it's the web pages that have become more and more bloated with useless tracking, ads and scripting a.k.a. web 2.0

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by [deleted] »

frik wrote: post #359
iamleppert wrote: post #352

Firefox is a case study in how performance really does matter. A lot. It used to be the best browser, and then something happened and it gradually became slow, really slow, while Chrome became fast. Who was in charge over at Mozilla during all this? Any engineering director worth their salt would have noticed what was happening and installed metrics that didn't let engineers commit code that caused performance regres…

Mozilla turned to a big corp (even if non profit) and got too many new staff. The original staff that was part since early Mosaic and Netscape days left. When Firefox got this new rounded tabs and left the slower release cycle around Firefox 3 it was the tipping point. It changed from a community project back to a corp project, that again doesn't care.

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Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by mannigfaltig »

Whenever people ask me about the excessive number tabs in my browser, I simply show them Einstein's desk: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-eyOIn_EOW2Q/Vmcl6O-55OI/AAAAAAAADs...

I am not Einstein but it is probably not a bad idea to have a whole lot of interesting things around you all the time. Sort of like a cache or the way proteins are synthesized, like swimming in a nutritious soup. "Oh, look here is a piece that fits!".

One basically decreases the chance of forgetting interesting and useful information. "Out of sight, out of mind."

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by JetSpiegel »

_wmd wrote: post #351
vit05 wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's because the bookmarkers sucks. They do not adapt to what you are doing, you need to do a lot of setup and organize a lot to be able to use it well. It should be more organic, grow with the use you make. I still believe that anyone who makes a better bookmark will dominate more than just the browser war.

Bookmarking always struck me as a 90s solution to just having fulltext search and analytics over your browser history, there have been a few attempts at browsers that addressed this head-on, but they've all died off over time IMO just one good new tab UI over a user's history/local cache could make a sizeable dent in Google's ad revenue

It's not like you have to reinvent the wheel even, just use Xapian like notmuch to do the grunt work of full-text indexing.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by curiousgal »

elorant wrote: post #162
huntie wrote: post #39

I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

Research.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by smichel17 »

lobster_johnson wrote: post #60

I've been considering switching to Firefox due to these performance improvements, but the one feature that's always missing is for the location bar to autocomplete terms from other sources such as Wikipedia. Is there some add-on I can install that can fix this? Safari is brilliant here. If you enter something in Safari's location bar, it will suggest Wikipedia and other search suggestions right away [1]. I use this f…

Just another keyword search suggestion like the sibling comment, but if you use DuckDuckGo as your default search engine, they have bangs so you don't need to step up keywords yourself (!g for Google, !w for Wikipedia, etc). That's all I've ever felt the need for, when I want to search another site.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by johnp_ »

frik wrote: post #363
rc_kas wrote: post #3

I <3 you Firefox. I'm so sad that nobody uses you.

Mozilla doesn't care about its community anymore, the lost focus, the mismanage Firefox and its quality gets worse. The multi process will never work with the current XUL based gecko code base - they could have told us the truth several years ago, instead they put some resources to it, and it gets no we're - it will never work like Chrome 1+ or IE 8+. Instead they should have focused on maintaining Firefox as it is a…

Where do you get the impression of e10s not working with the current code base? It works pretty great for me with 10+ processes and ~20 add-ons and is already enabled for ~50% of the Firefox population (though with more conservative defaults with the other half mainly blocked on add-on compatibility). There's no maintaining Firefox as it is and integrating Servo (which btw already works quite good on Nightly and webrender is also making great strides). The Rust language actually does help immensely because it makes developing Servo and other rust components way easier. Implementing servo in C++ would have likely taken longer and would definitely have been a maintenance nightmare.
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