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Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by problems »

I've been running a ~7 year old laptop for occasional browsing. Chrome is unable to seek properly in video playback (gives page unresponsive after a while) and lags randomly when loading large pages, I suspect due to RAM allocations.

Old Firefox played videos fine, but lagged on many page loads. I was about to conclude it was just too old to browse the web decently, but this... this seems incredibly usable.

Thanks Mozila, I'm definitely installing this thing on my main, much more modern machine tomorrow.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by cyphar »

pfranz wrote: post #135
glogla wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that a Chrome feature or Chrome-only Youtube feature?

I'm pretty sure it's a Chrome-specific lazy autoplaying of html5 video. I really like to alt-click Youtube links (so the page is loaded and queued), put my headphones on and switch over when I'm ready.

Firefox does this too. It's on by default for Firefox Nightly and an opt-in preference in the other update channels.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by frik »

rc_kas wrote: post #3

I <3 you Firefox. I'm so sad that nobody uses you.

Mozilla doesn't care about its community anymore, the lost focus, the mismanage Firefox and its quality gets worse.

The multi process will never work with the current XUL based gecko code base - they could have told us the truth several years ago, instead they put some resources to it, and it gets no we're - it will never work like Chrome 1+ or IE 8+.

Instead they should have focused on maintaining Firefox as it is and put more resources to Servo - which takes way too long already (a new Rust Lang doesn't help).

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by sgift »

elorant wrote: post #162
huntie wrote: post #39

I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

Pages I have always open, pages I open but have no time to read at the moment, pages I read at the moment. Right now (after just starting my day) I have 64 tabs, so with a bit of surfing today 100 is no problem. At times I have 200+ tabs.

edit: This was one of the reasons I loved the old Opera. It just didn't care. 50 tabs, 100 tabs, 200 tabs .. it just worked. I miss it.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by suby »

ac29 wrote: post #282
chippy wrote: post #4

I'm also very impressed with FF's performance on Linux in recent versions. I bumped up the RAM allocated for multiprocess but I never really have more than 20 tabs open. Startup and rendering seems much quicker, and the add-ons seem more open.

I'm curious, if you go to about:support are HW_COMPOSITING and OPENGL_COMPOSITING enabled? Someone (likely here) mentioned that setting layers.acceleration.force-enabled to true in about:config makes a dramatic difference in performance, and based on my limited experience, it does. So much so, that I'm thinking about switching to Firefox after many years of only using it sparingly due to lousy performance on Linux co…

Is there a particular reason that layers.acceleration.force-enabled is off by default?

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by TheGrassyKnoll »

meowface wrote: post #120
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Different people are different. When researching a question without a direct answer, it's more effective for me to open up tabs as I read a page and then search the most likely candidate. Whenever I reach a dead-end I can just switch tabs as opposed to pressing the back button N times. zzalpha's comment sums it up nicely: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14824086 I know I'm a power user, but I miss how effective…

I'm a chronic tab abuser as well, often with over 100 tabs at once. 1000 tabs still sounds insane to me.

Well, I'm running 600+ in Firefox for no particular reason. I guess that makes me only 60% insane.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by bananaoomarang »

Koshkin wrote: post #74

Can anyone offer an explanation of why should not tabs be managed by the window manager? (My understanding is that this question is independent from how the particular application would choose to control the contents of a tab - whether directly, or through a separate thread, or by spawning a child process.)

I think at some point the browser will collapse back into the desktop shell as a multipurpose document viewer. Window managers will need to catch up first, though.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by artificial »

Houshalter wrote: post #285
elorant wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

I am tab hoarder. It's a serious problem. So many links that I want to read. But I don't feel like doing it right now. And I know for certain that if I put it into a bookmark, I will never ever look at it again. So they sit on my tab bar for months until I get around to it. Looking at my current open tabs, most of them are dense "boring" reading material like scientific papers (or reddit/HN discussions of them.) I fe…

Greetings fellow hoarder. Should you be using Chrome I highly recommend the great suspender. It will unload tabs from memory if they're not used after a set time. That way one can open and return at your leisure without as much of an impact.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by Animats »

sorenjan wrote: post #287
huntie wrote: post #39

I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

> I hope that Firefox focuses more on power users in the future. I got 8 extensions installed at the moment, 6 of those are marked as legacy and will stop working before the end of the year. I also hope Mozilla focuses more on power users, but I think a lot of them will leave when their favorite extensions stops working and Google keeps favoring Chrome on their sites.

It irks me that they're not just dumping the XUL extensions, but the Jetpack extensions as well. I've already converted my extensions once, from Greasemonkey to Jetpack, and now I have to convert to WebExtensions.

And no, Firefox WebExtensions are not compatible with Google Chrome WebExtensions. They're close, but not compatible.

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