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Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by paulie_a »

elorant wrote: post #162
huntie wrote: post #39

I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

While I generally have a few windows open with 10-25 tabs open. I know one person that sells/buys on eBay and 200+ is fairly standard

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by ac29 »

chippy wrote: post #4

I'm also very impressed with FF's performance on Linux in recent versions. I bumped up the RAM allocated for multiprocess but I never really have more than 20 tabs open. Startup and rendering seems much quicker, and the add-ons seem more open.

I'm curious, if you go to about:support are HW_COMPOSITING and OPENGL_COMPOSITING enabled?

Someone (likely here) mentioned that setting layers.acceleration.force-enabled to true in about:config makes a dramatic difference in performance, and based on my limited experience, it does. So much so, that I'm thinking about switching to Firefox after many years of only using it sparingly due to lousy performance on Linux compared to Chrome (e10s has helped too).

edit: I should note that HW_COMPOSITING and OPENGL_COMPOSITING are not enabled by default on the 2 Arch Linux systems I have (Ivy Bridge and Haswell iGPUs, up to date Firefox, Mesa and Kernel). Not sure if there is a white/blacklist, or if its just always disabled in Linux.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by spronkey »

Tomis02 wrote: post #252
atombender wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wish tabs/windows worked more like persistent "workspaces". For example, say I'm booking a trip. I always open a bunch of sites (Kayak, Booking.com, lots of hotels, Google Maps, places to visit, etc.) in a single window. In pre-computer times it would be like covering a desk with a ton of papers, books and notes. Gradually I will figure out stuff, book the trip, etc. but the tabs can stay for quite a while. I feel…

You had all that in the old Opera browser, but people liked slower and more resource-consuming alternatives better.

I miss Opera 12 so much :'(

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by gamekathu »

overcast wrote: post #214

I was already using 55.x Beta. My BIGGEST issue, is that EVERY browser seems to chew up memory over time, just by leaving it open with tabs going. Firefox, Chrome, Safari. All do the same thing. Alleviated by using the Great Suspender in Chrome, but why can't they all have this just built in? Startup/speed, and initially memory use really haven't been that big of an issue. It's the memory, and finally grinding to a h…

I just downloaded 55.x beta to see whats such hype about, but opening more tabs are still chewing memory on Mac. maybe it is not mac optimized yet?

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by Houshalter »

elorant wrote: post #162
huntie wrote: post #39

I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

I am tab hoarder. It's a serious problem. So many links that I want to read. But I don't feel like doing it right now. And I know for certain that if I put it into a bookmark, I will never ever look at it again. So they sit on my tab bar for months until I get around to it.

Looking at my current open tabs, most of them are dense "boring" reading material like scientific papers (or reddit/HN discussions of them.) I feel they are important to read but don't feel motivated to do so ever.

I've never gotten to 100 tabs before. For entirely practical reasons, that Chrome can't handle it. It runs out of memory and grinds my computer to a halt. So I had to triage away the least important tabs and bookmark them or force myself to read them, just to keep my computer running. I just starting using firefox though, which is not helping this bad habit.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by justin66 »

rcthompson wrote: post #185
elorant wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

Some people effectively use tabs as bookmarks. Or, if you want to look at it the other way, bookmarks are just tabs that don't load until you click on them.

Bookmarks are tabs that you're sure you want to keep permanently.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by sorenjan »

huntie wrote: post #39

I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

> I hope that Firefox focuses more on power users in the future.

I got 8 extensions installed at the moment, 6 of those are marked as legacy and will stop working before the end of the year. I also hope Mozilla focuses more on power users, but I think a lot of them will leave when their favorite extensions stops working and Google keeps favoring Chrome on their sites.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by overcast »

gamekathu wrote: post #284
overcast wrote: post #214

I was already using 55.x Beta. My BIGGEST issue, is that EVERY browser seems to chew up memory over time, just by leaving it open with tabs going. Firefox, Chrome, Safari. All do the same thing. Alleviated by using the Great Suspender in Chrome, but why can't they all have this just built in? Startup/speed, and initially memory use really haven't been that big of an issue. It's the memory, and finally grinding to a h…

I just downloaded 55.x beta to see whats such hype about, but opening more tabs are still chewing memory on Mac. maybe it is not mac optimized yet?

Yeh I've gone from 500MB to 1.06GB in the time since I wrote the last post, an hour? Forty tabs total.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by goodplay »

huntie wrote: post #189
elorant wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So even if you only had 100 tabs This is fucking surreal. Why on Earth would anyone want 100 open tabs, besides testing? What's the real life scenario we're looking at here?

I just checked and I currently have 450+ tabs open. I closed around 100 the other day. I work on a number of projects at the same time, so I'll often have a bunch of documentation open for one project and then switch to the next one without closing everything. I also research a project and then wait a while before starting it. This helps me get a better perspective on the project. I'll often leave my research open in…

Same use case here (with aprox. the same amount of tabs). I'd like to add that leaving a project's tabs open also helps me easily remember where I was in implementing a specific project, especially when I need to work on another project as its dependency. It's much more convenient than keeping notes or following last changes.

The point made is that different people will use software in different and unexpected ways. Assuming that people use browsers the same way you do, or assuming that a certain scenarios are "impossible" because you personally are not likely to encounter it will harm your userbase.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Post by the8472 »

overcast wrote: post #214

I was already using 55.x Beta. My BIGGEST issue, is that EVERY browser seems to chew up memory over time, just by leaving it open with tabs going. Firefox, Chrome, Safari. All do the same thing. Alleviated by using the Great Suspender in Chrome, but why can't they all have this just built in? Startup/speed, and initially memory use really haven't been that big of an issue. It's the memory, and finally grinding to a h…

There is a fairly big, incrementally growing memory leak in firefox that has been fixed in recent nightlies and uplifted to beta 5 days ago. So it'll probably be in the next beta build.

https://bugzil.la/1377738

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