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The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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I <3 you Firefox. I'm so sad that nobody uses you.

A few months ago I switched to Chrome from Firefox for a couple of reasons. However, about a month later I switched back... I just feel dirty using Chromium =/

Although I think the dev tools in Chrome are superior, I love the way I can step through the code and have all the information I need displayed neatly against each step without having to manually watch everything.

Is there anyway to get Firefox to do something similar?

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes but I have found that if you "open in new tab" then it loads the page even though it is in the background. It should do as it does as startup but doesn't.

This, exactly. I'd love to open half a dozen tabs pointing at videos, without having to wait for each one to load and then quickly pause it. (Related: I'd also really like to middle-click video annotations to open them in a tab. No, I don't want to replace the current video with them.)

Some sites, such as YouTube, don't start playing a video until you switch to the tab.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Can anyone offer an explanation of why should not tabs be managed by the window manager? (My understanding is that this question is independent from how the particular application would choose to control the contents of a tab - whether directly, or through a separate thread, or by spawning a child process.)

Tabs handled by the OS / window manager seems to be the direction things are headed. MacOS already has a tabs api [0] and Windows is experimenting with a feature called "Tabbed Shell" that would provide a tabs API for the devs that want to use it and would wrap existing application in a tabbed shell for apps that don't. [1]

[0]: https://developer.apple.com/library/content/documentation/To...

[1]: https://www.windowscentral.com/windows-10-tabbed-shell

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, and because the article doesn't delve into it, why do you have 150 tabs open? In the course of my regular browsing, I usually have 3-4, and never more than 10-15. It's not something I've ever considered to have that many tabs open

I wonder if the 100+ tab people are also the ones who can handle dozens of cups of coffee a day. I guess I'm boring. Whether tabs or coffee, I do 1-2 at a time/per day.

I often have close to 1000 tabs open (How do I get the count?) I'm also very sensitive to coffee and cannot do more than 2 a day.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Wow. I've been getting more and more frustrated with how poorly Chrome handles even a moderately large number of tabs (~150), and it sounds like my savior is going to be ... Firefox. Huh. Wouldn't have guessed it, but I'll totally take it. I have a nice extension for Chrome called Quick Tabs that gives me a searchable list of my open tabs and makes it easy to find things I have open... anyone know which of the severa…

Out of curiosity, and because the article doesn't delve into it, why do you have 150 tabs open? In the course of my regular browsing, I usually have 3-4, and never more than 10-15. It's not something I've ever considered to have that many tabs open

I use tabs like I used to use bookmarks. I use tab groups, so I will maybe have a group of rust tabs, C++ tabs, and HN tabs open. This can add up over time.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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Wow. I've been getting more and more frustrated with how poorly Chrome handles even a moderately large number of tabs (~150), and it sounds like my savior is going to be ... Firefox. Huh. Wouldn't have guessed it, but I'll totally take it. I have a nice extension for Chrome called Quick Tabs that gives me a searchable list of my open tabs and makes it easy to find things I have open... anyone know which of the severa…

Not to at all dispute your use case/requirements or anything, but as a depth-first browser user, I can't even fathom a world in which 150 tabs qualifies as "moderately" large, and not "how many tabs???" large. And 1000+ (as cited by a sibling poster)? Wow! I wonder if this "I want to read this but I'll set it aside for now" model of browsing might be better served with a different UI metaphor...

> I wonder if this "I want to read this but I'll set it aside for now" model of browsing might be better served with a different UI metaphor...

Sure, you're welcome to design it, I'll even give other methods a try occasionally, but for me every other metaphor has proved worse in some way and I'm perfectly happy working this way, there could be something better, but it isn't bad in a way that I feel needs to get fixed.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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I'm really glad that people at Mozilla use ridiculous numbers of tabs too. Lazy-loading of tabs is the reason I switched to firefox. I'm not sure if it's still this way, but Chrome used to load every tab on startup. So even if you only had 100 tabs, you were looking at 5+ minute startup time. God-forbid that any of them were Youtube, or you'd have to go through and pause them all. I've just updated to Firefox 55 to t…

Firefox lazy loads tabs on startup, but not otherwise. So if you open a YouTube in a new tab it will start playing. Chrome, on the other hand, will not start playing the video, which is nice. I'm a Firefox user though so that's where my chrome knowledge starts and ends.

Is that a Chrome feature or Chrome-only Youtube feature?

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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There are a lot of people who use tabs as bookmarks. Seems like a good way to keep the RAM industry going strong. Someone once told me (seriously) "I need at least 128 GB of RAM otherwise I can't keep my tabs open." But does everything you were interested in over the last X weeks or months really need to be loaded up? No, and if you use it like that then it can't preload stuff. I think the main lesson is that bookmar…

I had the same feeling. Seems like they are using tabs as a history. A better history may solve their problem.

Sure a better history along with bookmarks and a pile of things could indeed fix my problem. But using tabs also fixes my problem perfectly well.

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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I use Firefox as much as I can, for many reasons. Two things keep me from using it all the time: – Yubikey – My Chromebook (I would use and equivalent FirefoxOS if given the choice) There are performance issues in some cases but nothing major. It is still somewhat slow compared to Chrome, even though this may be due to optimizations done specifically for Chrome.

There's a plugin for U2F support[1]. I use a Yubikey at work daily without issues.

1. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/u2f-support-a...

Re: The New Firefox and Ridiculous Numbers of Tabs

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There are a lot of people who use tabs as bookmarks. Seems like a good way to keep the RAM industry going strong. Someone once told me (seriously) "I need at least 128 GB of RAM otherwise I can't keep my tabs open." But does everything you were interested in over the last X weeks or months really need to be loaded up? No, and if you use it like that then it can't preload stuff. I think the main lesson is that bookmar…

I had the same feeling. Seems like they are using tabs as a history. A better history may solve their problem.

Or a better tab interface, I cant see how its productive scooting left or right to find the correct tab, even with a mouse scroll wheel.

Still its a low hanging fruit diversion from making Firefox more secure.

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