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Show HN: $200 Solar Self-Sufficiency Without Your Landlord Noticing

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Re: Show HN: $200 Solar Self-Sufficiency  Without Your Landlord Noticing

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Cool! The one thing I notice the author gets wrong is (out of modesty perhaps) claiming the system isn't very financially successful. But it actually is! > 200W system payback period: $300 / $48 = 6.5 years until payback > Either way you cut it, this is not a money saving machine. Energy prices are just too low. That represents like a 16% rate of return with little risk, which any investor would take in a second. How…

Wow that's a really good point.

Re: Show HN: $200 Solar Self-Sufficiency  Without Your Landlord Noticing

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post #7

How safe is it to keep that battery indoors? Don't batteries need some ventilation?

As canoebuilder said. I initially thought the same thing :). Believe me I googled the shit out of this so as not to drown the house in hydrogen.

Re: Show HN: $200 Solar Self-Sufficiency  Without Your Landlord Noticing

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post #8

Cool! The one thing I notice the author gets wrong is (out of modesty perhaps) claiming the system isn't very financially successful. But it actually is! > 200W system payback period: $300 / $48 = 6.5 years until payback > Either way you cut it, this is not a money saving machine. Energy prices are just too low. That represents like a 16% rate of return with little risk, which any investor would take in a second. How…

You can also get cheaper batteries and larger panels off Craigslist for much less. You can easily find much larger panels for around $100.00 - same kind you see on roofs. Batteries are more difficult to find cheap, but 6 volt golf cart batteries are readily available and low cost. Sometimes you can also find the 12V 35 AH wheelchair batteries (same as what the author used) cheaply too.

Point being, if you look around, solar electric generation at a small scale can be done even cheaper than purchasing off Amazon for some of the components (inverters and charge controllers are mostly exempt - unless you go to a hamfest).

Re: Show HN: $200 Solar Self-Sufficiency  Without Your Landlord Noticing

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JFYI, the back of the envelope calculation is about energy "created", this assumes that you actually consume it, i.e. that on average you would use that energy (while it is within the battery capacity range), if you leave for - say - 1 month, it is 1/12 less.

Good point! I think the next step in this project would be to hook it to some device with high constant consumption, like the fridge, to make sure the energy gets used up every day. Currently I find it difficult to use everything it's making, as you say. It's like having more tomatoes in your garden than you can eat -> sell the tomatoes.

Re: Show HN: $200 Solar Self-Sufficiency  Without Your Landlord Noticing

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Far more cost-effective would have been to skip the battery and just put a cheap chinese pure-sine-wave grid-tie inverter to bridge between the wall outlet and the panel.

It's simple- it has a 110V line cord and plugs into the outlet, sending current the opposite way of normal. Do a search on your favorite e-commerce site for "grid tie inverter" and you'll see what I mean.

These cheap inverters have most of the same safeties as the UL 1703 certified variety, and as long as you don't exceed current ratings (not likely with a little 200W panel) you're able to apply the power to your electric bill, without futzing with a lead-acid battery.

Re: Show HN: $200 Solar Self-Sufficiency  Without Your Landlord Noticing

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Far more cost-effective would have been to skip the battery and just put a cheap chinese pure-sine-wave grid-tie inverter to bridge between the wall outlet and the panel. It's simple- it has a 110V line cord and plugs into the outlet, sending current the opposite way of normal. Do a search on your favorite e-commerce site for "grid tie inverter" and you'll see what I mean. These cheap inverters have most of the same…

Wow that's really great input. I'm going to check this out and write a follow-up! This would allow me to credit the power directly to my fridge bill, as opposed to just using it for lighting and devices!

Re: Show HN: $200 Solar Self-Sufficiency  Without Your Landlord Noticing

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I find the title kind of click baity, "$200 solar self sufficiency for my bedroom" would be more accurate

Hey. You're completely right :) My original title was was "Solar Self-Sufficiency for Renters", but my mates in marketing told me to clickbait it the f up. Would you have clicked on the former, though?

Re: Show HN: $200 Solar Self-Sufficiency  Without Your Landlord Noticing

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Far more cost-effective would have been to skip the battery and just put a cheap chinese pure-sine-wave grid-tie inverter to bridge between the wall outlet and the panel. It's simple- it has a 110V line cord and plugs into the outlet, sending current the opposite way of normal. Do a search on your favorite e-commerce site for "grid tie inverter" and you'll see what I mean. These cheap inverters have most of the same…

Does that work with a regular meter? My internet sluething says some people have been charged for the electricity the produce because they don't have a "compatible" meter.

Re: Show HN: $200 Solar Self-Sufficiency  Without Your Landlord Noticing

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Far more cost-effective would have been to skip the battery and just put a cheap chinese pure-sine-wave grid-tie inverter to bridge between the wall outlet and the panel. It's simple- it has a 110V line cord and plugs into the outlet, sending current the opposite way of normal. Do a search on your favorite e-commerce site for "grid tie inverter" and you'll see what I mean. These cheap inverters have most of the same…

So does this mean that you can offset your electricity cost because your solar panel just sends the electricity it generated back into the grid (and credits you for it)? How could I verify that it's working?

It looks like you might also have to sign some sort of a contract with PG&E. Is this true? https://www.pge.com/includes/docs/pdfs/b2b/wholesaleelectric....

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