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Which might actually be quite possible. At the very least, I'm sure machine learning can have a better understanding of your general musical taste than most of your friends do.
That's a pretty exciting prospect then, and I could imagine even a mediocre implementation being almost catastrophically popular.
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"most creative endeavors often do involve CREATING many things" ; not generating them. You've "selected" something you liked. You are no artist and should not call your self like that. If you do, you will never inspire "simple" people. At least if you do it would become the MacDonald of art. Do nothing, sit and say to the bot if it fits you or not. You're even worse than a DJ. The DJ actually works his selection and…
What is the difference between creation and generation? What is the difference between me selecting the specific frame made by a generative algorithm and photographer picking a specific moment in time to capture a frame? What's the difference between me using a generative algorithm and Michelangelo using assistants to paint the Sistine Chapel?
Generation is a series of unfortunate accidents in search of something that might pass for a goal.
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"most creative endeavors often do involve CREATING many things" ; not generating them. You've "selected" something you liked. You are no artist and should not call your self like that. If you do, you will never inspire "simple" people. At least if you do it would become the MacDonald of art. Do nothing, sit and say to the bot if it fits you or not. You're even worse than a DJ. The DJ actually works his selection and…
What is the difference between creation and generation? What is the difference between me selecting the specific frame made by a generative algorithm and photographer picking a specific moment in time to capture a frame? What's the difference between me using a generative algorithm and Michelangelo using assistants to paint the Sistine Chapel?
Get interested in some artists and what they have achieved.
A humble human being would never call it self an artist.
That's the first mistake, and it's philosophical rather than technical.
I would say the tool it self is rather an piece of art. Not what it creates.
Here are some examples of music they've generated: https://magenta.tensorflow.org/performance-rnn
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What is the difference between creation and generation? What is the difference between me selecting the specific frame made by a generative algorithm and photographer picking a specific moment in time to capture a frame? What's the difference between me using a generative algorithm and Michelangelo using assistants to paint the Sistine Chapel?
Dedicating our life to find a meaning trough work. Get interested in some artists and what they have achieved. A humble human being would never call it self an artist. That's the first mistake, and it's philosophical rather than technical. I would say the tool it self is rather an piece of art. Not what it creates.
A wide-ranging talk on computer generated art, music, stories, humor, etc. I liked listening to it, but am disappointed by the field's disregard for existing methods of structure. "We don't use rules".... well, rules have helped mankind progress forward for hundreds of thousands of years. Just because they don't easily transfer into your ML model doesn't mean they are useless. Maybe the model needs to learn some new…
The rules based approach has (as you mention) years of history, so people are currently exploring the green-ish fields of raw learning approaches with good success on tasks where rules based approaches performed much worse or didn't work at all (cf image recognition, speech recognition), and in some areas it seems like the more you let the model learn / get rid of classical rules based approaches (with enough data), the better it does. Whether that is true for field X, not true yet for field X, or will never be true for field X depends on who you ask.
There is definitely a recent tide of models which are focused more on rule learning, function generation, and so on. The general thing I see is that rule based approaches with good approximators/probability models to guide heuristic or exact search can do crazy things - this is the story of AlphaGo at a 10k foot level. People in the ML community are just more focused on the new-ish part (learning good probability/function approximators from data) right now.
Just because rules aren't incorporated widely yet, doesn't mean they won't be in the future. I am personally very interested in this direction, and a bunch of work from Sony CSL (Pachet et. al.) has focused heavily on this idea in the past.
As an aside, whenever you hear an ML researcher say "prior", it is generally functioning as some kind of soft or occasionally hard rule - so maybe there are more rules floating around than it seems. Soft rules aka priors are generally (much!) easier for gradient descent style optimization and incorporating directly into models, so we tend to have priors rather than hard rules as seen in many other parts of computer science. Even the structure of the model itself can be seen as a prior.
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"most creative endeavors often do involve CREATING many things" ; not generating them. You've "selected" something you liked. You are no artist and should not call your self like that. If you do, you will never inspire "simple" people. At least if you do it would become the MacDonald of art. Do nothing, sit and say to the bot if it fits you or not. You're even worse than a DJ. The DJ actually works his selection and…
What is the difference between creation and generation? What is the difference between me selecting the specific frame made by a generative algorithm and photographer picking a specific moment in time to capture a frame? What's the difference between me using a generative algorithm and Michelangelo using assistants to paint the Sistine Chapel?
"What is the difference between me selecting the specific frame made by a generative algorithm and photographer picking a specific moment in time to capture a frame?" -> he captures life and tries to create a embodiment of something that already has a meaning for everybody. He can have multiple ways of underlining different aspects of the same thing. He has total control over How and Why. It is not only technical but it also communicates something in very different ways depending on the subject and how he took the picture.
"What's the difference between me using a generative algorithm and Michelangelo using assistants to paint the Sistine Chapel?" -> these are people not machine.
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That's a pretty exciting prospect then, and I could imagine even a mediocre implementation being almost catastrophically popular.
Spotify seems to implement this with custom play lists generated for you daily, with those play lists broken down by different styles/moods
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Art- and in fact, most creative endeavors often DO involve creating many things until you discover something "cool". With my personal experiments with generative art, I think of the machine almost as a work assistant. I have a rough idea of what I'm going for, and the ways to attempt it, and I teach that to my computer using code. But then I go away from the computer and out into the world and drink coffee, sketch in…
"most creative endeavors often do involve CREATING many things" ; not generating them. You've "selected" something you liked. You are no artist and should not call your self like that. If you do, you will never inspire "simple" people. At least if you do it would become the MacDonald of art. Do nothing, sit and say to the bot if it fits you or not. You're even worse than a DJ. The DJ actually works his selection and…
Slowly coaxing a desired result out of a computer by painstakingly tweaking an algorithm over the course of hours or days doesn't sound like work to you? The computer wouldn't have just done it on its own if an artist didn't tell it what to do.
I think your definition of art is narrow-minded. Who are you to tell someone their work isn't art. Art is (and always has been) in the eye of the beholder.
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"most creative endeavors often do involve CREATING many things" ; not generating them. You've "selected" something you liked. You are no artist and should not call your self like that. If you do, you will never inspire "simple" people. At least if you do it would become the MacDonald of art. Do nothing, sit and say to the bot if it fits you or not. You're even worse than a DJ. The DJ actually works his selection and…
What is the difference between creation and generation? What is the difference between me selecting the specific frame made by a generative algorithm and photographer picking a specific moment in time to capture a frame? What's the difference between me using a generative algorithm and Michelangelo using assistants to paint the Sistine Chapel?