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As California’s labor shortage grows, farmers replace workers with robots

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Re: As California’s labor shortage grows, farmers replace workers with robots

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This would be a good time to implement regulations and taxes on all robots to diminish all margins gained from automation.

Are you on drugs? If there are no margins nobody would even bother building a robot that actually can help with farm work.

You point is so delusional I really wonder how you can develop this kind of mindset and still end up in a technology/startup community like hacker news.

Re: As California’s labor shortage grows, farmers replace workers with robots

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post #4

It seems like picking a lot of fruits are easily in the realm of what computer vision is capable of these days. What would be the first steps to doing a start up in this space? Anyone interested?

A lot of the issues currently are related to the mechanical handling of the fruit. It's very important not to bruise or damage the product. Buyers generally have strict rules on exactly how the fruit is picked, e.g., how much stem is still attached to the fruit, for both weight and quality reasons.

Other issues arise if the orchard is on uneven ground, or their are irrigation lines in the way.

Certainly not insurmountable, but not easy. Then there's the distinct problem of adoption.

Re: As California’s labor shortage grows, farmers replace workers with robots

#13

This would be a good time to implement regulations and taxes on all robots to diminish all margins gained from automation.

Would this tax be on all labor-saving devices, like kitchen appliances? Washing machines? Oxen-powered plows?

Looms possibly?

Re: As California’s labor shortage grows, farmers replace workers with robots

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post #6

This would be a good time to implement regulations and taxes on all robots to diminish all margins gained from automation.

It is definitely worth considering but there is the other side. Do you want prices to continue to rise as labor costs and healthcare grow? Or would you prefer these prices actually drop even as your income grows? I'm not saying either is right or wrong. Maybe this is solved with UBI or some other approach. If the taxes are super high, the incentive to automate is diminished.

This idea is definitely NOT worth considering. With high margins, these robots actually get built, and the price will go down as other competitors catch up. In the end, everyone ends up better as it has been proven again and again in history.

Re: As California’s labor shortage grows, farmers replace workers with robots

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post #9

Or they could, you know, offer higher wages.

It's not that simple with farming, unfortunately. Worker pay is necessarily based on individual productivity, which can only increase so much [0]. Margins are razor thin for producers to begin with. The vast majority of profits are captured by the manufacturing and distribution. This is why the IRS taxes farm workers and farm employers differently from any other kind of commercial activity.

http://nfwm.org/education-center/farm-worker-issues/low-wage... [0]

Re: As California’s labor shortage grows, farmers replace workers with robots

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post #2

I've mentioned those machines before. They're still prototypes, nowhere near rugged enough for field use. Agrobot: [1] Too many parts, too many places that can catch dirt, too slow. If they can solve the sensor problem, they need to do a complete mechanical redesign to make it field-ready. Abundant Robotics: [2] Too slow, too fragile. For comparison, here's a Festo vision-guided robot picking up randomly oriented obj…

Speed is significantly less important than your suggesting.

The hard parts are not damaging the crop and most importantly not doing the wrong thing.

Re: As California’s labor shortage grows, farmers replace workers with robots

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post #9

Or they could, you know, offer higher wages.

It's not that simple with farming, unfortunately. Worker pay is necessarily based on individual productivity, which can only increase so much [0]. Margins are razor thin for producers to begin with. The vast majority of profits are captured by the manufacturing and distribution. This is why the IRS taxes farm workers and farm employers differently from any other kind of commercial activity. http://nfwm.org/education-…

Sounds like prices need to rise then in order to compensate labor enough to do the job in the first place.

Or robots, I guess.

Re: As California’s labor shortage grows, farmers replace workers with robots

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post #10

They could also, which is notably mentioned no where in the article, pay more? In a market driven economy...which companies want...employees have market power as well when their is a shortage.

Or just import more from Mexico and have Californians concentrate on the higher value jobs.
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