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Hedge Fund Uses Algae to Reap 21% Return

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Re: Hedge Fund Uses Algae to Reap 21% Return

#61

Can someone point me to a more technical description of the methods he uses?

It probably doesn't exist. Most funds of this type are very very paranoid about publicizing the methods they use because 1. Another firm could exploit what they are doing. 2. Another firm could trade the signal and remove their ability to profit. 3. They think being opaque makes them cool and mysterious. Which it does.

Re: Hedge Fund Uses Algae to Reap 21% Return

#62
I think what he is doing is modeling equities as an interaction model and performing clustering and or community detection on a dynamic graph. On the bottom you see a bunch of triads graphs. When they say "A quant tries to make sense of time-series price data that at first look chaotic because we don’t know the different parameters and their relations. So you try to piece that together, as one would do with biological data." you could accomplish this by taking the time series data and when one equity interacts with another within some type of time series window you would compute a set of graphs and see how they cluster together.

Re: Hedge Fund Uses Algae to Reap 21% Return

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Was disappointed because title is misleading; I had hoped the fund was using actual Algae (i.e. computation in biological medium) to produce market decisions. Instead it is just biologists that are creating algos with their existing machine-learning knowledge. Apparently deep-learning and algae are the same thing.

My first thought was that they ask algae for stock tips like the magic conch shell of Spongebob :( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu5SJcNp0J0

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#66
post #36

Wait a second. The average hedge funds is underperforming the SP500 index every year and by important returns? How are they still in business?

It's the same reason why companies buy licensed software even when decent open source alternatives exist--they know they can pick up a phone and yell at someone when something goes wrong. Also, there is a ton of folklore built up around the market and telling your golf buddies you are with 'so and so' is just another kind of name dropping.

Re: Hedge Fund Uses Algae to Reap 21% Return

#67
I thought this was going to be about how a hedge fund makes money by increasing algae in the world.

If we all planted trees and algae then we'd increase carbon sinks and solve the greenhouse gas problem in a sustainable way.

I am surprised more money - or at least ink - isn't funneled into this!

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post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you have enough different attempts, one of them will beat the market by sheer game of chance. How do you define an "attempt", and how many "attempts" do you need to beat the market (consistently) by chance?

Get 25 monkeys to throw darts at S&P 500 stock symbols on January 1st of each year. The chance that at least one monkey outperforms 5 years in a row is about 55%. (The target areas need to be proportional to market capitalization etc.)

That's if you have one trade per year. How would you model this if you have 25 monkeys throwing, say, 300 darts at the board per day, for every day that the market is open (252 days), for five years?

If you're going to quantify survivorship bias, you can't use entire years as data points, because that doesn't properly represent the amount of activity that occurs. We should reason about each event, because if consistency emerges on an event basis we might not even need more than one year for our sample. The decision-making that is being empirically examined here (i.e. acumen capable of beating the market beyond chance) ostensibly functions on trading events, which means years are not the correct data point to use (and will provide an incorrectly pessimistic sample).

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