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80-year Harvard study has been showing how to live a healthy and happy life

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Re: 80-year Harvard study has been showing how to live a healthy and happy life

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The article seems to argue that healthy relationships CAUSE physical health. How do you actually prove that the relationship between the two attributes is causal versus correlated? For example, one could conclude, instead, that being in good physical health is the cause of successful relationships.

this isn't really a useful point. social sciences necessarily rely on this kind of research because you can't do a controlled trial on people's long-term behaviors really.

Re: 80-year Harvard study has been showing how to live a healthy and happy life

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The article seems to argue that healthy relationships CAUSE physical health. How do you actually prove that the relationship between the two attributes is causal versus correlated? For example, one could conclude, instead, that being in good physical health is the cause of successful relationships.

It is tough, if not impossible to know for sure in cases like these. The most effective way is the use of controlled studies. The population is split such that the only difference between the groups is one variable. The very simplified version is that sometimes you find that there is only evidence for a correlation (between say relationships and good health), and other times you can find evidence for causation.

In this case it looks like they found the later.

Re: 80-year Harvard study has been showing how to live a healthy and happy life

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What I take from this article is that social interaction is extremely important to ones health, and it's something that we largely taken for granted. In the age of computers and secluded work environments, I think we need to be aware of the effect that even casual interaction has on our mental and physical health. I have some personal/anecdotal experience which back this research up and affirms my belief that communi…

I went from very brutal environments (massively stressful jobs in algorithmic trading, generally sitting on loud trading floors with late hours, weekends, etc) to working remotely and found almost the opposite. Instead of being sick several times a year- we would literally watch colds and other illnesses work their way up and down the rows, I instead got sick maybe once a year. Solving problems in a nice quiet room w…

It's almost as if a balanced life is good for you

Re: 80-year Harvard study has been showing how to live a healthy and happy life

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I wish there were a Tinder for friends. It's a shame no one would use it.

There is, but it's called meetup.com. You don't have to just go to tech/networking meetups, you know. :)

meetup.com is good, met a new friend there a month ago. Also invite all the local people on Facebook you are "friends" with to actually hang out.

Re: 80-year Harvard study has been showing how to live a healthy and happy life

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This sort of snarky comment that dispenses with the life work of others by means of internet clichés is the sort of thing for which pg coined the term "middlebrow dismissal". Perhaps you really do know better than specialists who worked in a field for decades, but if so, you're doing your superior knowledge an injustice by presenting it so basely. We're sincerely hoping to do better than that in this community, and w…

> This sort of snarky comment that dispenses with the life work of others by means of internet clichés [...] specialists who worked in a field for decades So if the work is so polished then it should be really easy to defend on its merits right? I find it curious that your main argument is instead about the work's authors.

That's not the argument at all. The argument is that the internet genre of the snarky dismissal is harmful in its own right. It subtly (and not-so-subtly) encourages many of the things we don't want here. So please stop posting like that.

If you have a substantive point to make, make it thoughtfully; otherwise please don't comment until you do.

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Please don't post snarky internet insta-dismissals to HN. They greatly lower the quality of discussion, even when they have some good points to make. There are several such posts in this thread and that's a problem. The entire genre of internet comments that dismiss the life-work of others with a contemptuous hand-wave is problematic. Critique is good, but it should seriously engage with what it is criticizing. That…

There are several post of such nature precisely because the whole post is a feel good piece with pretend-science, severe bias and shaky conclusions

Even if that's true, the I-know-better, snark-plus-clichés genre is a problem here regardless of how bad an article is. This sort of comment is common on the internet and poisons the environment it's posted to. By practicing it here, you degrade the community and make it less interesting for all of us. That's the real reason not to do it: for much the same reason you don't litter in parks. We want thoughtful conversation here, not acid. Even about bad articles.

Btw that longitudinal Harvard study has been well-known and interesting for long time, despite its flaws. Previous HN threads have discussed it without sinking into snark and I doubt that the community has become smarter since then.

Re: 80-year Harvard study has been showing how to live a healthy and happy life

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This may be particularly true in romantic relationships.

It may also be particularly false in romantic relationships. Have you met my ex?

The original post said "healthy" relationships.

Re: 80-year Harvard study has been showing how to live a healthy and happy life

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I've got a simple hack I employ when in a new city. All through my twenties, I moved basically every year or two. Most of the time I had a network of family or associates to drawn upon before arrival. But often, I'd find myself a complete stranger, knowing not a single soul. What I'd do is this: find a local diner, not a touristy place, but a real local institution and landmark. And then eat dinner there every single…

This also works in places like gas stations (try to visit the same ones), grocery stores if you go 1+ times a week, and sometimes coffee shops and fast food joints, especially in smaller towns.

It takes a little longer, but a popular walking path can grant good results as well. Basically anything routine where you are likely to run into the same folks over and over.

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I really wish there were good community organizations that bring people together like a church, but weren't religious based. I guess that's what organizations such as the Moose lodge, or Lions club attempt to fill?

Agreed. Religion is a non starter for me but I would like to find some community groups doing good things with good people. I know about meetup.com etc but I'd like to have ties with something a little deeper. Preferably something without political and especially without supernatural overtones. I see there being a big need for this in the modern world.

Even if you are not religious, you may want to reconsider church. It can be good for people and communities in many ways, and often for reasons you don't understand.

Sometimes I feel like American culture is being sterilized. Just like white bread and a multivitamin, we only take what we understand and leave everything else behind. And then when we encounter social problems after eliminating church (or health problems when we eliminate natural foods), we are puzzled.

Re: 80-year Harvard study has been showing how to live a healthy and happy life

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At the IT company I used to work at, our CTO constantly raged over people asking for technical solutions for their own management problems, which is a pattern I have internalized. Sometimes things are social issues that need to be solved socially. I don't think there is going to be a systematic way to keep creeps out and prevent the asshole minority, people are just going to have work things out as a society.

I think it is quite difficult to let complete strangers to your home without any help from technology. I don't think this app would need any rocket science, but I would guess that a simple way to verify who you are dealing with and make that public ("John Doe is joining our board game night today") and some kind of scoring system ("John Doe has wanted help x times and given help y times and on average people do not s…

Perhaps having mandatory face shots being part of the app (you can at least know what age demographic the strangers are in) as well as a blacklist (preferably hard to get on to avoid abuse). I would want to avoid a scoring system, that slips into "good person" quantification territory. For the second point I agree with your concept, but I don't have an idea for the implementation. Random matching?
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