Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down • Hacker News Board

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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Post by hackerboos » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 12:41 PM UTC

tylersmith wrote: post #209

theEXTORTCIST wrote: post #43

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Law enforcement could have easily MITM'd the PGP. They replace the public key of a vendor with their own public key (on the vendors's page, without the vendor's/buyer's knowledge), then the buyer address gets encrypted with that public key. Then they decrypt and resend the message using the sellers original public key. I really wonder if this happened at all

They almost certainly did. I do market research and a number of vendor keys changed on Hansa and Dream on June 23rd. Some had various comments in them claiming to be older, e.g. "EST June 2016". Dutch Police released a statement claiming as much http://politiepcvh42eav.onion/hansafaq.html

I diffed a key I recently used on Hansa with one the same vendor on Grams and it appears that the key wasn't updated.

Maybe this was done on a case-by-case basis or Grams updated their keys to the new LE keys.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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Post by hackerboos » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 12:47 PM UTC

Sir_Cmpwn wrote: post #78

nailer wrote: post #60

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If law enforcement were smart the "seller's" public key would be part of a keypair made by LEOs.

As I understand it, most sellers have their public keys available from several sources and savvy buyers will cross-verify them. It would probably raise too much suspicion of LE swapped out the keys and there was a discrepancy with the cross-references.

The website Grams kept a list of vendor's public keys. It appears from cross checking against that roster that not all keys were changed.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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Post by pc86 » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 1:03 PM UTC

jameskegel wrote: post #200

_zl9i wrote: post #116

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Apparentle the Alphabay moron had his real hotmail address in the welcome e-mail they used to send and the same nick on another message board with more personal details as well. Massive OPSEC failure.

Please take about 20% off the tone there, it's not going to enhance the discussion.

I'm sorry but if your business is running an illegal drug market and you're sending out account emails with your real name and year of birth from a non-burner email, I think "moron" is probably a pretty apt description.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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Post by Garvey » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 1:22 PM UTC

BearGoesChirp wrote: post #177

valuearb wrote: post #152

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Buying drugs doesn't fund those actions. Making drugs illegal does, just like when Prohibition started murderous gang wars, gave us the highest murder rate in modern history, caused thousands of deaths from adulterated spirits, and funded the modern mafia.

Buying drugs does fund those actions. Drugs being illegal are a major reason why, and why I support legalization. But that doesn't excuse anyone currently making a purchase today. Think of it this way, illegal images could be produced by advanced CGI, but aren't because that tends to be just as illegal. That doesn't excuse anyone who consume images not produced by advanced CGI.

Buying "some drugs" from "some people", "might" fund those actions.

Bit of a generalisation to apply it to every drug sale ever...

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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Post by tgragnato » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 1:27 PM UTC

mfoy_ wrote: post #50

forgotpwtomain wrote: post #18

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> That database must be a wet dream for law enforcement. Because obviously people buying a few pills of ecstasy or a tab of LSD are a serious danger to society and should be taken of the streets. /s

Because the police will totally arrest every single user and not focus on the high-volume buyers / sellers. /s

I do not think it's really that clear.

Sometimes the state apparatus is precisely the one committing the most heinous crimes. (with impunity!)

> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allegations_of_CIA_drug_traffi...

> http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB2/index.html

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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Post by celticninja » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 1:34 PM UTC

stephengillie wrote: post #288

atemerev wrote: post #34

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Not everything that is illegal is wrong. E.g. being gay is illegal in many places.

Smart "would-be" criminals don't commit crimes; they make their intended action lawful, then act freely.

That's not how it has happened throughout human history.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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Post by celticninja » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 1:35 PM UTC

averagewall wrote: post #296

atemerev wrote: post #34

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Not everything that is illegal is wrong. E.g. being gay is illegal in many places.

There's a big discussion about what's bad about drugs. But I wonder if we can rationally work out what's bad about child porn. My understanding is that possessing it means you obtained it from someone, who probably wanted some kind of payment, who abused children to produce the material so he could get that payment. There are quite a few gaps there. What if it was published for free? What if children weren't physical…

That's why there are levels of child porn and it impacts on sentencing.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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Post by Buge » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 1:39 PM UTC

nnfy wrote: post #299

trhway wrote: post #259

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>would find it weird if people tried to make people stealing candybars from Walmart out to be equal to murderers. it is pretty equal for the 3rd strike

Except it is completely unequal because you've been given 3 chances to follow the laws of the society in which you live. And because sentencing will still be much less severe than that of murder.

Is it really much less severe than murder? The guy in arkad's link got life for stealing $153 of videotapes.

And some people make the argument that people commit on average 3 felonies a day https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp...

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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Post by wheelerwj » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 1:43 PM UTC

averagewall wrote: post #296

atemerev wrote: post #34

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Not everything that is illegal is wrong. E.g. being gay is illegal in many places.

There's a big discussion about what's bad about drugs. But I wonder if we can rationally work out what's bad about child porn. My understanding is that possessing it means you obtained it from someone, who probably wanted some kind of payment, who abused children to produce the material so he could get that payment. There are quite a few gaps there. What if it was published for free? What if children weren't physical…

bro.. don't try and make the abusers out to be victims.

the dominant factor in stigmatized pea do philadelphia has very little to do with deviant sexuality and has everything to do with coercion and rape of still developing human beings. this is seen across just about every other facet of civilized society as well.

We don't allow minors into enforceable contracts, leave home or check out of school, smoke cigarettes or drink booze, and we sure as hell don't allow them to participate in "amateur" pornography where the consequences can be life long.

We restrict these things because the mind isn't developed or experienced enough to understand and appreciate the effects of these actions.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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Post by nthcolumn » Fri, Jul 21, 2017, 1:58 PM UTC

ryanlol wrote: post #122

nthcolumn wrote: post #40

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The Dutch, Russians and US had some deal going on last year where their law-enforcement and even spooks were co-operating, tracking stuff end to end from russia to netherlands. It all got messed up by some CIA with a usb stick apparently. Russians spotted it, didn't like. So hosted in russia is not going to save you, depending on who your friends are of course.

I guess you're referring to http://electrospaces.blogspot.de/2017/06/dutch-russian-cyber... https://www.volkskrant.nl/4497360/ https://www.volkskrant.nl/kijkverder/2017/hacker/ To me this paints a pretty realistic picture of how difficult it is for western LE to co-operate with Russia, it's not impossible but it certainly isn't easy. Both sides will be cherry-picking the things they share, with the Russian cops facin…

Yes this exactly but also heard that there was a fight one day in Dreisberg? He said he saw John Wheeler with a usbstick. He went to the Dutch and that it all got a bit tense. Did GRU then accuse Mikhailovich with passing information to the CIA? Poor guy.

Interesting about the Equinox DPI 'cache' too.

http://nos.nl/artikel/2181605-deze-data-blokkendozen-zorgen-... (Dutch)

Is there a bottleneck there similar to Cornwall? Spies huh!