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Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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Post by Oletros »

anigbrowl wrote: post #140
professorTuring wrote: post #12

I'm from Spain and this article does not represent Spain. Let me expand on this. The typical workday in Spain (no matter if you are a worker or in an office) goes from 7:00/9:00 to 15:00/18:00. This is usually a 8 hours work day (a lot of unpaid extra hours are quite typical in any IT job). Usually there are two stops before lucnh, one at the beginning of the day, usually 15 minutes to have a coffee with coworkers an…

Spanish siesta is for Fridays and holidays. It's been a while since I worked in Spain (15 years) but the firm I worked at had an every day siesta policy because the owner likes siestas and had grown his business that way. The company had offices in Barcelona and Valencia so maybe the tradition has deeper roots in Catalonia.

No, siesta on weekdays has not deep roots in Catalonia.

It is reserved for holidays or weekends

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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Post by Oletros »

jorgemf wrote: post #134
pjmlp wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Bonus: we don't add chorizo to the paella. The chorizo is mostly for the bbq You should try it here in Germany, I was astonied the first time I saw them adding mayonnaise to the paella.

As the other commenter said, we also add Alioli, which is mayonnaise with garlic. Although the original one is only garlic and olive oil. (Ali means garlic and oli means oil in Valencian)

A pedantic correction, in Catalan/Valencian, garlic is all.

And the sauce in Catalan is allioli, alioli is the Spanish transliteration.

In Spanish doesn't exists the termination -ll and it is pronounced -l

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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Post by Oletros »

faragon wrote: post #128

That's separatist propaganda: Catalonia, a Spanish region where separatists are ruling and expect to do a referendum against the rule of law in October so the region can exit Spain and the European Union and be "free", is "better" than the "lazy Spain". Rationale: in Spain there is no such thing as generalized three-hour lunch break. In fact, most industries have short lunch pause (e.g. 7 to 15:30h), and most offices…

At least, before writing your usual biased diatribe you should read the original link in that shitty article.

In no place is mentiioned Spain and the article talks about rationalizing the shops schedule.

But don't let pass any opportunity to show your hatred

> I forgot to add that Catalans, myself included, have a lot to learn from other Spanish regions: e.g. in Madrid there is commercial freedom, so shops can chose when they can open, without the permission of the feudal^W local government.

And you forgot that "libertarians" like you are just a tiny minority.

And no, it is not feudal, it is not being slaves

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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Post by dogma1138 »

eloff wrote: post #116
davidw wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Small shops manage to operate in, say, Arizona during those hours. That said, I think Spain's hours are a more natural adaptation to the climate than Arizona's.

Arizona is in the car-centric USA. You walk straight from your car with AC into a shop with AC via the shortest path possible. Spain, like most Europe is a lot more pedestrian/cyclist friendly and I'd imagine that traffic drops off a lot during the heat of the day. I live in Canada which isn't anything near as hot as Arizona or Spain and I walk/cycle everywhere and I specifically avoid going anywhere from 11am-2pm in…

Shops manage to be open in the Middle East, Africa and Asia where it gets much warmer than Spain and in many places with much less favorable conditions.

I've been to the south of Spain it's hot but 35c isn't unbearable in the middle of the day.

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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Post by hanoz »

pc86 wrote: post #84
bill45 wrote: post #68

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>Doesn't anybody work in those small shops? It's not a break if they make up that time later. Sounds more like working a shift, and then starting a second shift later.

I can assure you that working 4 hours, taking 3 off, then working 4 again, is most definitely a break.

Is working 8 hours, taking 16 off, then working 8 again, a break?

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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Post by 13of40 »

tremendo wrote: post #146
anigbrowl wrote: post #131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, but at the cost of running crazy air conditioning. The only time I visited Phoenix I arrived near lunchtime and was baffled to be wandering around a seemingly modern city where the streets were entirely free of people. I felt like it I was in the opening scene of a zombie movie or something. Personally speaking I've never seen much value in living by the clock if it puts you in conflict with the seasons. The not…

Sadly in Phoenix you'll find the streets entirely free of people year-round. Even when the weather is nice (Oct-Apr). I am one who walks, and often wonder if I'm just crazy when I notice I'm pretty much the only human not inside a car just walking about. I also not wonder but know it's true when I realize that hey, it really is too damn hot some days and being outside is just nuts.

For the first half of this year, I was walking about 10 miles a day through Seattle suburbs to get to/from work. During that time I think I encountered exactly two other long distance walkers, and everyone else who was outside seemed to be walking to a bus stop or taking their dog out to poop. (I've noticed that a lot of older Indian couples will get out and take a walk around the block in the afternoon, though.) I think it has something to do with cable television and Facebook.

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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Post by faragon »

Oletros wrote: post #153
faragon wrote: post #128

That's separatist propaganda: Catalonia, a Spanish region where separatists are ruling and expect to do a referendum against the rule of law in October so the region can exit Spain and the European Union and be "free", is "better" than the "lazy Spain". Rationale: in Spain there is no such thing as generalized three-hour lunch break. In fact, most industries have short lunch pause (e.g. 7 to 15:30h), and most offices…

At least, before writing your usual biased diatribe you should read the original link in that shitty article. In no place is mentiioned Spain and the article talks about rationalizing the shops schedule. But don't let pass any opportunity to show your hatred > I forgot to add that Catalans, myself included, have a lot to learn from other Spanish regions: e.g. in Madrid there is commercial freedom, so shops can chose…

> At least, before writing your usual biased diatribe you should read the original link in that shitty article.

That was just my opinion.

> In no place is mentiioned Spain and the article talks about rationalizing the shops schedule.

My point was because the only sector that matches the schedule the article was speaking about was the shops, as the three hours pause is very rare except for the shops and some services that operate in same schedule (e.g. some repair shops).

> But don't let pass any opportunity to show your hatred

Hatred, against who? To disagree with a local government is hatred? If someone puts a region as example of something, you can expect others putting examples of the opposite, specially if you live there.

> And you forgot that "libertarians" like you are just a tiny minority.

I'm not libertarian, I'm in favor of social democracy ("center"). And that's compatible with willing to have freedom for shops and business to operate at their will, without having to bribe local governments so they do "schedule exceptions" (e.g. some malls open on Sundays because of """exceptions""").

> And no, it is not feudal, it is not being slaves

That's your opinion, worth just as mine ;-)

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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Post by pc2g4d »

I spent a month in Salamanca and fell in love with the siesta. In that fairly small town it seemed the traditional siesta rhythm was in full swing. We'd go home in the afternoon, eat a delicious lunch, take a nap, and then head back. This was only possible because home was a pretty short walk away. I found this fit with my natural night-owl tendencies and I've always wished something similar could work in the United States. Unfortunately, when your workplace is 20+ minutes from home it makes absolutely no sense. Another thing lost to modernity.

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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Post by wavefunction »

valuearb wrote: post #121
wavefunction wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You fly into Phoenix and the rampant waste and misuse of water is obvious. All those lawns and pools sitting idly by while Arizona (and California) drink far too deeply from the Colorado and other rivers.

Arizona has always managed its water supply far better than California. And a flyover is misleading, most houses have natural yards and the lawns are all special summer grass adapted to the heat.

>special summer grass adapted to the heat.

My point is how much water does it take even for that. If what you were saying is true, I'd expect to see that grass growing all over Phoenix and it would be green rather than red.

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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Post by jorgemf »

Oletros wrote: post #152
jorgemf wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As the other commenter said, we also add Alioli, which is mayonnaise with garlic. Although the original one is only garlic and olive oil. (Ali means garlic and oli means oil in Valencian)

A pedantic correction, in Catalan/Valencian, garlic is all. And the sauce in Catalan is allioli, alioli is the Spanish transliteration. In Spanish doesn't exists the termination -ll and it is pronounced -l

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