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Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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> to communicate their intention to collaborate on the plan What the law says is "conspire to violate". If person X and person Y together work out a way for person Y to commit murder and then person Y commits murder, is person X considered as conspiring? > People don't think in groups Sure they do. It's called "conversation" or "correspondence". If we had telepathy, we could skip the transcoding to sound or text, but…

> Sure they do. It's called "conversation" or "correspondence" Conversation is action, not thought. > If we had telepathy There's a couple different things (in fiction, naturally) that go by that name; the active analog to oral communication is also action, the sort of passive integration associated (not exclusively, just as an example) many hive-mind collective organisms in sci-fi is thought rather than action, but…

> Conversation is action, not thought.

I think the distinction here is a pretty dubious one. Consider, as a hypothetical, a situation in which one can actually tell "what someone else is thinking" based on a more advanced form of EEG. Would it still be "thought" as opposed to "conversation" if two people are doing it to each other simultaneously? Why is transcoding in terms of pixels on a monitor different from transcoding as sounds? Is the key difference for you whether the transcoding is active or passive on the part of the thinker of the thought?

Put another way, if we define "thought" as being limited to those things which have no perceptible effect on the world at all, then we run into the separate question about whether this "thought" thing exists in the first place.

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where exactly are those slaves working and murders taking place along the production and distribution of LSD? same question with regard to home grown weed? please, elaborate ...

It promotes growth of the marketplace which also allows buying/selling of drugs that do involve victim crimes. If the market was limited to safely produced/trafficked drugs, it would be different. One might even make the argument that shutting down a market that only allowed victimless drugs end up causing harm.

by posting anonymously on HN you are promoting the internet and it's ungoverned nature which allows for consumption and distribution of c.p.

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post #74

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And interpol would do what with them? Probably pass them along to the police-services of the respective countries that these people live in. Some countries execute people for drug possession alone.

That would be a great reason not to order drugs online from these countries then. Whether or not you approve of the law, you have to realise that you are putting yourself at risk if you are breaking the law.

I'm specifically mentioning it from the interpol-level. They would at that point be essentially handing-down a death-sentence for a crime that they don't view as being that serious.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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post #99

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Every time a market has been taken down it's been due to OPSEC failure and other information leaks (e.g. Silk Road captcha IP leak, DPR's advertising of market being linked to his personal email address). AlphaBay Which got taken down first in this operation was due to a personal email being included in the header of the welcome email sent out to new users 3 years ago [1] [1] https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release…

But where did they get the 3 year old email. 1) They were investigating AlphaBay for nearly 3 years 2) They came upon somehow control of an email address which contained 3 year old mail that contained the password reset email 3) They are capturing and storing large amounts of tor traffic much like the NSA does on clearnet see: xkeyscore This isn't really explained in the indictment

This is a really interesting question. Knowing how they got access to such an old email from an external source.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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It's just a matter of time until the store fronts are developed open source on Github and hosted decentralized on a network like MaidSafe. People love to get high and are willing to pay. Innovation will follow to meet demand.

There's already public markets available on reddit for all kinds of illegal things in addition to drugs that get you high.

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Not everything that is illegal is wrong. E.g. being gay is illegal in many places.

True. It sounds like the site was mostly dealing in drugs, which for small time dealers I feel is a waste of time to prosecute... But the problem is that larger organized criminals often get their funds to do worse things from the drug market.

The fact that criminals are funded by drugs is a reason why their criminalization is wrong. Not why their use/sales is wrong.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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post #187

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Surprised, yes, but why can't people be outraged at people suffering from bad laws? That makes no sense.

Not outraged at the laws, outraged at being persecuted. If you know something is illegal, and it carries a fine of $1,000 and you do it, you get caught, and they fine you $1,000 you can't be like "What?! How DARE you catch me and fine me like the law says?! ARRRGH!"

Why not? If the law is unjust, it's perfectly reasonable to be outraged at being punished when you're caught even if you knew exactly what would happen beforehand.

Since drugs have such a stigma in the countries HNers are likely to be from, imagine if we were talking about laws against, say, women driving cars, or criticizing the president.

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Where is it the only legal drug? Nicotine is often regulated but legal nearly everywhere, and I don't think caffeine is banned anywhere.

I get this is (mostly) a tech site, but do we have to argue semantics every time?

I don't think this is a semantic argument. The comment I replied to was making the argument that alcohol use is widespread because it has no legal competition. This does not appear to be the case to me, thus undermining the argument.

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post #176

> More than 500 Dutch delivery addresses were reported to couriers and postal services with the intention of stopping the deliveries Does this mean that the goal of the LEO was to only stop the deliveries without actually arresting the recipients? If that's true then it seems the way law enforcement works in the EU is very different than that in the US.

unless they can link your computer to entering that address, isn't there some plausible deniability that someone else entered your address. Having drugs delivered to your house isn't illegal if someone else sent them there right? (Asking about in the US, but also interested in hearing if it's different or the same in EU)

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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I would love to know how they got caught. There is probably something to learn about opsec from this. The paranoid side of me says Tor is unsafe (due to whatever - the authorities having backdoors on most hosting services, on your PC, due to the encryption being cracked by some unknown breakthrough or due to 90% of entry nodes being controlled by NSA). And NSA and FBI and co just have hundreds of people working on "p…

Apparentle the Alphabay moron had his real hotmail address in the welcome e-mail they used to send and the same nick on another message board with more personal details as well. Massive OPSEC failure.

Please take about 20% off the tone there, it's not going to enhance the discussion.
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