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How an ex-FBI profiler helped put an innocent man behind bars

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Re: How an ex-FBI profiler helped put an innocent man behind bars

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The big crime is how little epistemological support there is for some of the big forensic tools (fingerprints, DNA, bite marks, arson spread, etc), how little interest there is in researching these areas, and how trusted they are. But I am curious: apart from TV shows, how important is this kind of evidence in most trials? Is it actually uncommon?

> But I am curious: apart from TV shows, how important is this kind of evidence in most trials?

I think it's fairly widely used as part of the evidence, but I don't think statistics are kept, and even if they were it's hard to know how important it is in convincing juries. When the issue with fiber analysis and the admission of it's nesr complete lack of validity by the FBI broke, there were hundreds of criminal convictions, dozens of death penalty convictions, and several who had already received the death penalty identified directly tied to FBI testimony on fiber analysis, and concerns of tens of thousands of convictions based on work by locsl, FBI-trained, fiber analysts.

So, its at least not insignificant in potential impact.

Re: How an ex-FBI profiler helped put an innocent man behind bars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I understand DNA has gotten pretty good when used responsibly, but the rest are no better than reading a chicken's entrails. Have I perhaps been misinformed about DNA?

Is comparing fingerprints really "no better than reading a chicken's entrails?" I could understand things like trying to guess based on similarities with a partial print, but comparing two full prints seems like it would be pretty easy.

Some years ago I worked on a project where they wanted to do fingerprint classification and comparison with computer vision. I was amazed how much human judgment is involved in the process. Even with full prints a lot is up to the examiner and two examiners won't necessarily give you the same result.

Re: How an ex-FBI profiler helped put an innocent man behind bars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I understand DNA has gotten pretty good when used responsibly, but the rest are no better than reading a chicken's entrails. Have I perhaps been misinformed about DNA?

Is comparing fingerprints really "no better than reading a chicken's entrails?" I could understand things like trying to guess based on similarities with a partial print, but comparing two full prints seems like it would be pretty easy.

Regarding fingerprints, in the wake of the Brandon Mayfield case which raised serious questions about the accuracy of fingerprint identification by the FBI, the National Academy of Sciences was asked to perform a scientific assessment. Initial results were published in:

Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS)

Bradford T. Ulery, 7733–7738, doi: 10.1073/pnas.1018707108

Accuracy and reliability of forensic latent fingerprint decisions

Bradford T. Ulerya, R. Austin Hicklina, JoAnn Buscagliab,1, and Maria Antonia Robertsc

Edited by Stephen E. Fienberg, Carnegie Mellon University, Pittsburgh, PA, and approved March 31, 2011 (received for review December 16, 2010)

ABSTRACT

The interpretation of forensic fingerprint evidence relies on the expertise of latent print examiners. The National Research Council of the National Academies and the legal and forensic sciences communities have called for research to measure the accuracy and reliability of latent print examiners’ decisions, a challenging and complex problem in need of systematic analysis. Our research is focused on the development of empirical approaches to studying this problem. Here, we report on the first large-scale study of the accuracy and reliability of latent print examiners’ decisions, in which 169 latent print examiners each compared approximately 100 pairs of latent and exemplar fingerprints from a pool of 744 pairs. The fingerprints were selected to include a range of attributes and quality encountered in forensic casework, and to be comparable to searches of an automated fingerprint identification system containing more than 58 million subjects. This study evaluated examiners on key decision points in the fingerprint examination process; procedures used operationally include additional safeguards designed to minimize errors. Five examiners made false positive errors for an overall false positive rate of 0.1%. Eighty-five percent of examiners made at least one false negative error for an overall false negative rate of 7.5%. Independent examination of the same comparisons by different participants (analogous to blind verification) was found to detect all false positive errors and the majority of false negative errors in this study. Examiners frequently differed on whether fingerprints were suitable for reaching a conclusion.

http://www.pnas.org/content/108/19/7733.full

Authors

Bradford T. Ulery

aNoblis, 3150 Fairview Park Drive, Falls Church, VA 22042;

R. Austin Hicklin aNoblis, 3150 Fairview Park Drive, Falls Church, VA 22042;

JoAnn Buscaglia bCounterterrorism and Forensic Science Research Unit, Federal Bureau of Investigation Laboratory Division, 2501 Investigation Parkway, Quantico, VA 22135; and

Maria Antonia Roberts cLatent Print Support Unit, Federal Bureau of Investigation Laboratory Division, 2501 Investigation Parkway, Quantico, VA 22135

One might wonder why such an assessment was not done a long time ago.

This is a report on the Brandon Mayfield case:

https://oig.justice.gov/special/s0601/exec.pdf

Bottom line is fingerprints are much more accurate than chicken entrails but hardly infallible as used to be widely believed.

Re: How an ex-FBI profiler helped put an innocent man behind bars

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I understand DNA has gotten pretty good when used responsibly, but the rest are no better than reading a chicken's entrails. Have I perhaps been misinformed about DNA?

Is comparing fingerprints really "no better than reading a chicken's entrails?" I could understand things like trying to guess based on similarities with a partial print, but comparing two full prints seems like it would be pretty easy.

You would think, but even "experts" on fingerprinting call it at best an art. It can be affected by bias[1], and there's no standard for declaring a match[2](same case as [1]).

> I could understand things like trying to guess based on similarities with a partial print

That's really the rub, pun intended I guess, there are no clean neatly pressed fingerprints left on object collected by police, generally speaking.

[1]http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2211368113...

[2]http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fingerprints-infallible-evidence...

Re: How an ex-FBI profiler helped put an innocent man behind bars

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Profiling, like much of "criminal science" such as Arson Investigation is a large part unsubstantiated bullshit. It's amazing how poorly regulated all of it is and how many innocent people are in prison, or executed, because of it.

Profiling is probably better-than-nothing as an investigative technique, that is, e.g., as a tool to choose where to focus resources to look for meaningful evidence. What it probably should not be mistaken for is a scientific source of evidence on its own.

Right, use it as a tool in investigations, but ban it from being used in a trial (no testimony from profilers).

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Profiling, like much of "criminal science" such as Arson Investigation is a large part unsubstantiated bullshit. It's amazing how poorly regulated all of it is and how many innocent people are in prison, or executed, because of it.

DNA testing too, complete nonsense

Unfair sarcasm. DNA is one of the very few forensic tools with any hard science behind it. Even fingerprints can lead to highly conflicting "expert" opinions.

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DNA testing too, complete nonsense

Can you elaborate? Do you mean the science of DNA testing as a whole is complete nonsense, or just DNA testing as it relates to criminal prosecution?

Not sure why I'm being downvoted, does noone remember this? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/fbi-overstated-fo...

Of 28 examiners with the FBI Laboratory’s microscopic hair comparison unit, 26 overstated forensic matches in ways that favored prosecutors ... The cases include those of 32 defendants sentenced to death. Of those, 14 have been executed

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Profiling, like much of "criminal science" such as Arson Investigation is a large part unsubstantiated bullshit. It's amazing how poorly regulated all of it is and how many innocent people are in prison, or executed, because of it.

DNA testing too, complete nonsense

Should we disallow use of DNA to exonerate the wrongfully convicted? If it is complete nonsense we should shut down the Innocence Project.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you elaborate? Do you mean the science of DNA testing as a whole is complete nonsense, or just DNA testing as it relates to criminal prosecution?

Not sure why I'm being downvoted, does noone remember this? https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/fbi-overstated-fo... Of 28 examiners with the FBI Laboratory’s microscopic hair comparison unit, 26 overstated forensic matches in ways that favored prosecutors ... The cases include those of 32 defendants sentenced to death. Of those, 14 have been executed

Hair isn't DNA. The tests done on it are comparative afaik.

In fact, in the linked article it says that DNA exonerated people tried based on hair comparison – 25% of those exonerated to boot. Sounds like DNA is great.

What you seem to have a problem with, which is valid, is procedures, how evidence is introduced, and how the authority/validity of that evidence is communicated to the court, correct me if I'm wrong.

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