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Why Cutting Carbs Is So Tough

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Re: Why Cutting Carbs Is So Tough

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Per 100 grams, there is little difference between potatoes and sweet potatoes. The preparation and condiments will make a larger difference than the tuber.

This is pretty wrong. Take a look: http://www.precisionnutrition.com/regular-vs-sweet-potatoes

No, I said per 100 grams, that page compares a medium potato to an average sweet potato. Go find one that compares 100 grams of potato to 100 grams of sweet potato.

(I had looked at it before I posted)

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Preface: Over the past 12+ years I have spent a fair amount of time learning about foods/diets, at first to try to get rid of my acne (which I was successful at), but then later to stay lean and stop any diet-related dips in my mood (which I was also successful at). What I want to say: Cutting carbs is difficult for most people because of two things: 1) withdrawal from the sugar-high that you get from eating high-gly…

Would you please what did you do to get rid of the acne? My GF has acne too. Various face creams or treatments from dermatologists didn't work. She tried cutting lactose (milk, cheese), which had a good, but small effect. Would like to try anything else before laser treatments. Thank you!

I have severe acne, and I tried every treatment on earth, but it turned out that eating oily/fatty food caused my acne. I didn't discover this until in my late 20's. I still get acne at my 40's, if I eat too much fatty food. I can take a burger in a day at most and be fine, but adding fried food and meat definitely is not good for my complexion. Try cutting out certain types of food for a week.

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That is rather rude. Your single data point (if we are to be generous and call it data) doesn't change the fact that an overwhelming majority, heck probably 99.9% of humans that ever lived included various sources of carbs in their diets (save famine and other such events), and our bodies have evolved to support such diets. We're here because our ancestors ate carbs. The long term effects of ketogenic diets OTOH are…

> That is rather rude Not my intention at all, and honestly I don't see how my comment conveys this. > Your single data point Sure, plus the countless others who lead a healthy, low-carb lifestyle. > 99.9% of humans that ever lived included various sources of carbs in their diets (save famine and other such events), and our bodies have evolved to support such diets My point wasn't that carbs preclude you from leading…

>Sure, plus the countless others who lead a healthy, low-carb lifestyle.

They are not countless though, people who have at some point in time, experimented with keto or low-carb diets are in the extreme minority (I did as well). And an even smaller subset would be the people who have completely switched over to a keto diet on a long term basis.

>Not "because", but "in spite of the fact".

That is merely an opinion. We can't do the experiment of not having a certain adaptation. Having the option of surviving on a variety of diets, including heavy carb (vegetables/fruits) diets, is definitely an evolutionary strength.

> hut rather that they aren't necessarily for leading a healthy lifestyle, as OP's remark suggested.

But practically speaking, the vast majority of healthy people consume carbs. There is no evidence to suggest that a keto diet is capable of providing the same result - in a large portion of the population (comprising of various genetic makeups and other factors), over a large period of time.

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What is so annoying about articles like this is that they start out saying 'calorie intake has nothing to do with obesity! lol all you idiots! look at how enlightened I am!' and then go on to say that carbs mess with insulin levels so that it becomes hard to not eat more calories. Duh, that's what all those others say too, but just not highlighting that aspect as much. In the end, it's still calories. I get it, these…

We are not created equal when it comes to metabolism. I have an extremely slow metabolism. I'm a 6'3, 205lbs male and I must eat no more than 1000 calories a day to keep a balanced weight, and that includes 1 hour of work out a day.

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You're wrong, but to illustrate why: when people talk about cheese, often you'll think of France -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_paradox It's not strictly speaking a rebuttal, but it illustrates a point quite clearly, fat is not the culprit.

I'm talking about weight loss, not overall health.

We all learned that fats are bad in school, along with the food pyramid. Sadly, almost all you learned about losing weight was wrong. If you're curious, read one of the books by Gary Taubes, the author of the NYT op ed. "Why we get fat" is a good read. If you really want to lose weight, keto (high fat/low carb/moderate protein) is a great way to go (I lost 60 pounds).

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Just want to mention that there are always people who don't read the literature or properly follow a "diet plan" for lack of a better word to call it. If you are doing the Ketogenic diet, right at the end of Gary Taubes' book entitled "Why we get fat and what to do about it" which is about the diet (and is the same the guy who wrote the linked article) it says this about your daily diet in regards to vegetables: FOOD…

My point is how this is communicated to the public. It's nice that you have spend dozens or hundreds of hours reading ketogenic diet books, and have a clear idea about the limitations, tradeoffs, and risks of this. Ordinary members of the public get the message "only eat chicken thighs, and don't eat lettuce". That's a long way from a diet that's healthy for ordinary people.

Come on. I've never heard (no one has) the phrase, "don't eat lettuce". I've heard don't eat processed carbs, don't eat bread, don't eat pasta, don't eat simple sugars, don't eat potatoes.

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I was diagnosed type 2 diabetic and went on keto with almost no carbs for 5 months and am now borderline not diabetic / pre diabetic.

Congratulations on your hard work! Head on over and join fellow Type 2's at the Diabetes Daily site. They were the community whose discussions gave me the tools to bring my HbA1c to 5.7 for 2.5 years running. Without any medication (I was on Metformin and statins when initially diagnosed). If you refuse to consign yourself to the fate that most MD's in the US describe for their diabetic patients (mine told me, "there…

Yup, I was originally on metformin before keto. When I was first diagnosed I went to a dietician and I told her I could try cutting out carbs and she gave me the Food Pyramid and told me to cut out fat and reduce intake of sugar. Did that for a year then discovered keto in January of this year and it paid off for my first a1c check.

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I was diagnosed type 2 diabetic and went on keto with almost no carbs for 5 months and am now borderline not diabetic / pre diabetic.

"Almost" no carbs is very different than OP's triple assertion of "you're mistaken", "not required" and "zero".

You're right. But even in terms of unrefined carbs like certain sugary fruits I couldn't have without it affecting my blood sugar levels.

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> calorie intake has nothing to do with obesity who is saying that? > that's what all those others say too where? the author is talking about energy balance disorder vs insulin hypothesis. first stops at "expend more than you intake and everything will be ok", second goes further and explores difference between sources of calories and why it's wrong to say that caloric number is all you need to care about. > show me…

"who is saying that?" "The conventional thinking, held by the large proportion of the many researchers and clinicians I’ve interviewed over the years, is that obesity is caused by caloric excess." "The minority position in this field — one that Dr. Ludwig holds, as do I after years of reporting — is that obesity is actually a hormonal regulatory disorder, and the hormone that dominates this process is insulin." 5 or…

> obesity is actually a hormonal regulatory disorder, and the hormone that dominates this process is insulin

where exactly in this sentence did you read "calories don't matter"?

> Caloric number is all you need to care about

no it is not. calorie source is important. some sources spike your insulin, some don't. insulin spikes are bad.

> just a way to get your calorie intake down

no, it's a way to lower blood glucose and remove insulin spikes. healthy caloric deficit is important for sustainable weight loss, but avoiding foods that cause insulin roller coaster is also important. and to get into ketosis it's literally the only thing that matters.

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I've posted these numbers before, but I'll post them again because they are so low as to be totally unintuitive: Normal human blood sugar [1]: 70-100 milligrams per deciliter of blood. Blood volume of average human [2]: 5.5 liters Thus, total blood sugar in non-diabetic human: 3.85 to 5.5 grams Density of glucose: 1.54 grams per cubic centimeter Thus, total volume of sugar in average human: 2.5 to 3.6 milliliters Vol…

This is hilariously wrong. This is like saying the average human body contains twenty to thirty pounds of fat so you should eat 10,000 times more fat than sugar.

>This is like saying the average human body contains twenty to thirty pounds of fat so you should eat 10,000 times more fat than sugar.

You should eat substantially more fat than sugar, yes. But if you don't your body turns excess Sugar into fat.

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