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Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

#31

> Some 10,000 foreign addresses of Hansa Market buyers were passed on to Europol. That's really bad, because not all countries are Holland, which is famous for its 'relaxed' attitude towards drugs in general, so some users might have their lives turned around by this - followed, arrested, jailed, extorted, etc.

It would be interesting to compare damages caused by the release of this information versus damages caused by the production, sale, and usage of the drugs themselves.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

#32

The clever thing is that they took it over and for one month monitored it without the users knowing. Everyone on obfuscating their persona with Tor and bitcoins, still had to enter their postal addresses on the website, to receive the goodies. That database must be a wet dream for law enforcement.

From what I remember poking around at Hansa that's not true. Each vendor / user had a public key associated with their account. All text communication through the website was supposed to be with GPG encrypted text secured by private keys unavailable to website. So law enforcement has lots of encrypted text along with some clear text from users not informed enough to follow any kind of opsec.

That's got to be bittersweet, busting a perp, only to open the door to his lair to find a grid of bank safes.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That database must be a wet dream for law enforcement. Because obviously people buying a few pills of ecstasy or a tab of LSD are a serious danger to society and should be taken of the streets. /s

> Because obviously people buying a few pills of ecstasy or a tab of LSD are a serious danger to society and should be taken of the streets. /s Because obviously it's impossible to express that one party might have viewed an outcome as favorable without agreeing with that view. /s

Well given that this party is funded by taxpayers, for the purported benefit of said taxpayers and their society; I do think its problematic that said party would hold such a view.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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I like how they try and color the site by associating it with sites that sell weapons and child porn. > It is Hansa Market, currently the most popular dark market in the ‘anonymous’ part of the internet, the so-called darknet. > ... > The darknet markets enable large-scale trading in chiefly illegal goods, such as drugs, weapons, child pornography, and ransom software. ... No weapons or child pornography were sold on…

Seems fair to lump in with the rest since it was in fact an illegal market place.

Not everything that is illegal is wrong. E.g. being gay is illegal in many places.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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What would the switch do? For who?

Alert users that the market is compromised. An example, an admin could have a personal password that is used to update a secure hash of "last known time the market was not compromised". The users can use the public key to verify the markers. Every day or two, the admin updates that marker using the private key (password). A few days after they're arrested, they won't have updated it, the users will know something is…

Why would the admin care?

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

#36
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What would the switch do? For who?

Alert users that the market is compromised. An example, an admin could have a personal password that is used to update a secure hash of "last known time the market was not compromised". The users can use the public key to verify the markers. Every day or two, the admin updates that marker using the private key (password). A few days after they're arrested, they won't have updated it, the users will know something is…

They seem to have done exactly that: http://i.imgur.com/yowD1Vr.png

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

#37
I think this is brilliant. A very efficient way of policing and removing a lot of drugs from the market without spending a lot of public money and wasting time on the streets.

Also the darknet is great as it reduces the violence associated with drug crime, by taking the drugs off the streets and into the legitimate courier business. You have to love technology sometimes.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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>This was made possible by the arrest of the two administrators of Hansa Market in Germany, aged 30 and 31. Since their arrest, the two men, from Siegen, NorthRhine-Westphalia, have been kept in pre-trial detention, and are only allowed to have contact with their lawyers. So admins of the other markets: always have a dead-mans switch.

I'm curious how you would construct a switch that couldnt be bypassed by the police once they have full access to the servers.

As with all security it's a matter of layers, with each layer making it more difficult, but perhaps not impossible to bypass. A simple deadman's switch might be to host some key piece of the software on a remote server that is harder to access geopolitically and have it stop responding without a periodic login. Recurse a few layers in different geopolitical zones, and it could be a relatively effective deadman's switch. Performance may take a hit such that some kind of in memory caching is needed, but anyone seizing the servers would have to know to capture the memory and not just the disks before the switch activates in this case and it would still probably be effective.

Add in some server wipe jobs, and maybe add some kind of man in the middle payload modifications as well, and you could keep some computer forensics techs scrambling to try to find it all. It'd be a pain to maintain it all, and it'd probably be the operator in the end who compromised everything, but it could be done.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Because obviously people buying a few pills of ecstasy or a tab of LSD are a serious danger to society and should be taken of the streets. /s Because obviously it's impossible to express that one party might have viewed an outcome as favorable without agreeing with that view. /s

Well given that this party is funded by taxpayers, for the purported benefit of said taxpayers and their society; I do think its problematic that said party would hold such a view.

I have no problem calling out what you believe are unjust laws, but the way you did so implies some agreement with those laws from the commentor you were replying to, as well as some responsibility for those laws existing from the police that carry them out.

Calling out a commentor's statement about the police's state of mind at concluding what was undoubtedly a large project for their department doesn't effectively work as a launchpad into a critique of those responsible for the law when done through terse sarcasm that seems to target the wrong responsible parties.

Re: Underground Hansa Market taken over and shut down

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Dream Market is still up since Nov 2013. (1 year older than even AlphaBay) Perhaps they're the ones that are actually based in Russia ;P You seriously have to be a moron to host your DNM in Canada or NL though, NL LE especially has many years of experience and millions worth of equipment for these investigations. Pick a place where they're less likely to have advanced DMA equipment handy! Even better though, is to ch…

The Dutch, Russians and US had some deal going on last year where their law-enforcement and even spooks were co-operating, tracking stuff end to end from russia to netherlands. It all got messed up by some CIA with a usb stick apparently. Russians spotted it, didn't like. So hosted in russia is not going to save you, depending on who your friends are of course.
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