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Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Literally nobody here takes 3 hour lunch breaks. [...] Small shops do close for 3 hours in the middle of the day Doesn't anybody work in those small shops? > There's a mid-morning and late-afternoon snack The mid-morning snack is not generalised and the late-afternoon snack is mostly for kids (after-school "merienda").

Yes, but they don't take 3 hours to have lunch. Also closed to the public doesn't mean not working (back-office!).

Let's call them lunch+siesta breaks then.

Edit: to be clear, I agree that most people doesn't have siestas and three-hours breaks only remain common in some sectors (retail) and places (small cities). The original article doesn't make much sense, by the way.

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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post #9
post #3

Hardly surprising, and probably positive for many Spaniards, but it still makes me a little sad that every country is converging on a very similar way of working. Globalisation makes it inevitable, of course, but does Monday-Friday, 9-5 really make sense? Why not 8-6 Monday-Thursday with a three day weekend? We developers are often lucky that we can dictate our own hours and experiment with this, but I'd be fascinate…

> Globalisation makes it inevitable, of course, I would push back on this thinking that Globalization itself is inevitable. We have seen the reaction to this thinking in recent years -- you end up with Trumps, and Mays, and (almost) Le Pen's. Greeks are a prime example -- despite the intense crisis and austerity measures, the country still values its lunch and coffee breaks, despite how much we here in the west criti…

Greece has one of the longest working journeys of the EU: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/gdp-and-beyond/quality-of-l...

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

#43
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Globalisation makes it inevitable, of course, I would push back on this thinking that Globalization itself is inevitable. We have seen the reaction to this thinking in recent years -- you end up with Trumps, and Mays, and (almost) Le Pen's. Greeks are a prime example -- despite the intense crisis and austerity measures, the country still values its lunch and coffee breaks, despite how much we here in the west criti…

> Greeks are a prime example I would love to hear from a Greek on this. It's admittedly a very biased source, but I was following mr. Varoufakis writing/interviews back when the negotiations were being held and my understanding is that the "intense crisis" is, at this point and with the policies in place, mathematically impossible to fix (with really dire results for the country and people). If that's true then I can…

> I would love to hear from a Greek on this.

I am Greek

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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post #9
post #3

Hardly surprising, and probably positive for many Spaniards, but it still makes me a little sad that every country is converging on a very similar way of working. Globalisation makes it inevitable, of course, but does Monday-Friday, 9-5 really make sense? Why not 8-6 Monday-Thursday with a three day weekend? We developers are often lucky that we can dictate our own hours and experiment with this, but I'd be fascinate…

> Globalisation makes it inevitable, of course, I would push back on this thinking that Globalization itself is inevitable. We have seen the reaction to this thinking in recent years -- you end up with Trumps, and Mays, and (almost) Le Pen's. Greeks are a prime example -- despite the intense crisis and austerity measures, the country still values its lunch and coffee breaks, despite how much we here in the west criti…

i don't criticize them for being lazy

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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Literally nobody here takes 3 hour lunch breaks. A lot of offices have 2 hours, yeah, but this is becoming less and less common regardless. Small shops do close for 3 hours in the middle of the day, but they are open till about 9pm which is a lot more useful than being open in the middle of the day. It also should be noted that there are actually 5 meals in a spaniard's day. There's a mid-morning and late-afternoon s…

Open 'till 9pm? Where? Every time I'm in Spain (mostly in Galiza) it seems like the stores still close at 7-8pm, despite only opening at around 4:30pm.

I'm in Madrid. Independent shops are usually 0930-1400 and 1700-2030/2100. Chains are open about 0900-2100.

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

#47

Literally nobody here takes 3 hour lunch breaks. A lot of offices have 2 hours, yeah, but this is becoming less and less common regardless. Small shops do close for 3 hours in the middle of the day, but they are open till about 9pm which is a lot more useful than being open in the middle of the day. It also should be noted that there are actually 5 meals in a spaniard's day. There's a mid-morning and late-afternoon s…

> Small shops do close for 3 hours in the middle of the day ...

the next related news headline will be "Say Goodbye to Spain's Glorious Small Shops"

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

#48
post #3

Hardly surprising, and probably positive for many Spaniards, but it still makes me a little sad that every country is converging on a very similar way of working. Globalisation makes it inevitable, of course, but does Monday-Friday, 9-5 really make sense? Why not 8-6 Monday-Thursday with a three day weekend? We developers are often lucky that we can dictate our own hours and experiment with this, but I'd be fascinate…

> Why not 8-6 Monday-Thursday with a three day weekend?

You're making the mistake that 40 hours is just 40 hours. Business work schedules are about being available during the week, not about working for a fixed amount of time.

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

#49
post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Globalisation makes it inevitable, of course, I would push back on this thinking that Globalization itself is inevitable. We have seen the reaction to this thinking in recent years -- you end up with Trumps, and Mays, and (almost) Le Pen's. Greeks are a prime example -- despite the intense crisis and austerity measures, the country still values its lunch and coffee breaks, despite how much we here in the west criti…

Greece has one of the longest working journeys of the EU: http://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/web/gdp-and-beyond/quality-of-l...

Kind of a pointless chart to me at this point since the data is from 2011 on - massive austerity and joblessness is skewing this data -- the people who do have jobs are working longer just to make the same pay, and the country has 22.5% unemployment, and hovers around 50% youth unemployment. I would be interested in viewing the charts pre-crisis - 2009 and earlier.

Re: Say Goodbye to Spain's Three-Hour Lunch Break

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post #14

In the startup arena im in (USA) folks often work 8-9am till 7-8pm with half hour to hour MAX lunches. No one complains, people just burnout and move on in 1-2-3 years. No one gets overtime. It would be nice to have an open discussion with HR or whoever but its a sensitive topic, in this culture you are not "allowed" to tell how much you actually work... I guess its a "dirty little secret" but 9-5 does not exist anym…

Just get out of startups and into more established companies, 9-5 not only exists, it's the norm. It's not a dirty little secret, you're just in a self imposed workaholic bubble. If you're consistently working 12 hour days, you're simply allowing your employer to abuse you.
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