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Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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Post by matt4077 »

BigJono wrote: post #41
aphextron wrote: post #11

The "newsfeed" pattern is one of the worst ideas humanity has ever had. Never has it been so easy to manipulate public opinion at will. 10 years ago there was a such thing as standards in journalism. Now anypoliticalblog.com's headline has been promoted to the equal status of an actual news organisation by means of the implicit legitimacy of appearing in a news feed. This insanity has reached a crescendo with the off…

> 10 years ago there was a such thing as standards in journalism Was there? Because last I checked all that these so called 'reputable' sources of news seem to put out is biased garbage full of misleading data and often blatant lies. I've seen better journalism from bloody buzzfeed than I have from some of the "proper" news networks in Australia...

These are the current headlines of http://wsj.com and the New York Times (https://www.nytimes.com).

Please point out which stories, specifically, are "blatant lies", or "biased garbage".

WSJ:

- Investors Brace for Clues on ECB’s Tapering Plans

- Fed Faces Inflation Riddle

- Top Court Revises Trump Travel Ban Scope

- Bank Earnings Highlight Diverging Paths Since Crisis

- How a Saudi Prince Unseated Heir Apparent

- Trump Urges GOP to Seek Agreement on Health Measure

- Sen. John McCain Diagnosed With Brain Cancer

- Trump Jr., Kushner, Manafort to Speak to Senate Panels

- Where Will Banks Go After Brexit? Frankfurt Takes Lead

- Tech Stocks Eclipse Record From Dot-Com Era

- Court Overturns Convictions of Two in Libor Scandal

NYT:

- Two Weeks on Ice in McMurdo Station, Antarctica

- McCain Has Brain Cancer; Tumor Was Found in Surgery

- Citing Recusal, Trump Says He Wouldn’t Have Hired Sessions

- Trump Loans From Deutsche Bank Face Regulatory Scrutin

- China Woos Myanmar as U.S. Focus in the Region Wane

- Getting High in Uruguay Is Now a Pharmacy Stop Away

- Somalis in Minneapolis Shocked by Police Shooting

- President Persists on Health Bill, Urging Senators to Revive It

- Opinion: Gustavo Dudamel: A Better Way for Venezuela

- Opinion: Charlie Gard and Our Moral Confusion

- Editorial: The Dark History of Defining ‘Family’

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

#102

Post by andygates »

pjc50 wrote: post #68
thomyorkie wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The difference is personalization. I never would visit a portal site like yahoo, but every morning I look through my Google Now feed. Relevance matters.

Does anyone else remember the personalisable "iGoogle"?

Oh, that was the good stuff. RIP.

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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Post by jamespo »

hyperdunc wrote: post #99
michaelmrose wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I honestly don't believe breitbart and the guardian are equally bad. There have always been varying degrees of bias and different degrees of standards. The right spins this as everyone is equally biased in order to justify there readers picking their own alternative facts to justify whatever positions they hold however improbable.

You may be correct but surely you recognize that the left can just as easily be accused of the same bias you attribute to the right? The real problem is diverging narratives and very little constructive communication between. Both sides have very valid concerns that aren't understood by the other.

Equating Breitbart and the Guardian shows your bias I'm afraid. Something like the Huffington Post would have been a better comparison.

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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Post by andygates »

chartreusek wrote: post #23

Didn't they try basically this before, then had it fail and discontinue in the form of iGoogle(2005-2013)? The idea of google going back to that is just nuts. At least DuckDuckGo has got the search page concept right.

They definitely discontinued it, but that doesn't mean it failed. What do you think made them kill it? At the time, it felt like textbook Google capriciousness (see Reader, etc).

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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Post by Symbiote »

hyperdunc wrote: post #66
aphextron wrote: post #11

The "newsfeed" pattern is one of the worst ideas humanity has ever had. Never has it been so easy to manipulate public opinion at will. 10 years ago there was a such thing as standards in journalism. Now anypoliticalblog.com's headline has been promoted to the equal status of an actual news organisation by means of the implicit legitimacy of appearing in a news feed. This insanity has reached a crescendo with the off…

"Actual news organizations" don't exist in the sense we'd like. They're all agenda driven and constantly lie by omission. Breitbart is shamelessly pro-Trump. They will publish stories that others won't but also won't publish anything counter to their narrative. The Guardian, which someone else mentioned, is massively left-leaning and is also very selective about what they cover. Their articles are often poorly though…

The Guardian is at most slightly left-leaning.

For a massively left-leaning publication, you need to look to something like the Morning Star: https://www.morningstaronline.co.uk/

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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Post by yvdriess »

Cursuviam wrote: post #80
hyperdunc wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a reason most of the MSM attacks Trump's credibility on a daily basis? The reasons are ratings and political ideology. They know that a lot of people hate Trump so they attack him. Any evidence of wrongdoing on Trump's part is merely a happy extra for the MSM. If Obama did the same things that Trump does, do you think the MSM would behave the same way? The MSM have cried wolf so many times that now half the…

I agree; the right-wing press lacks high quality journalists. Journalists seem to happen to lean left a whole lot more.

It is almost as if reality has a left-wing bias.

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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Post by CM30 »

aphextron wrote: post #46
BigJono wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 10 years ago there was a such thing as standards in journalism Was there? Because last I checked all that these so called 'reputable' sources of news seem to put out is biased garbage full of misleading data and often blatant lies. I've seen better journalism from bloody buzzfeed than I have from some of the "proper" news networks in Australia...

>Was there? Because last I checked all that these so called 'reputable' sources of news seem to put out is biased garbage full of misleading data and often blatant lies. The inculcation of this sentiment is precisely the effect I'm referring to. The waters have become so muddied with nonsense that no one can tell right from wrong anymore. And thus, actual news organizations with trained reporters and fact checkers an…

You've clearly not seen the UK press. The Daily Mail has been around for decades, and has quality standards roughly on par with Fox News at best. The tabloids have spent years posting any old speculation they can find and sometimes even hacking people's phones for information.

And the more respectable papers have generally had their own problems with reporting standards. The likes of the Guardian and the Telegraph should be on the lower end of what's considered journalism, not the upper one.

Honestly, the introduction of online news sources has probably helped in a lot of ways, because it meant people might at last be checking information from sources other than tabloids. There's at least a niche for good quality journalism online now rather than it being an 'occasional' fixture in some newspapers on a good day.

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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Post by headmelted »

headmelted wrote: post #73
hyperdunc wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Actual news organizations" don't exist in the sense we'd like. They're all agenda driven and constantly lie by omission. Breitbart is shamelessly pro-Trump. They will publish stories that others won't but also won't publish anything counter to their narrative. The Guardian, which someone else mentioned, is massively left-leaning and is also very selective about what they cover. Their articles are often poorly though…

I unfortunately and reluctantly am forced to agree with you. Except about Breitbart being legitimate (sorry, can't do it). My dad explained this to me very crudely some years ago, (but as he's a Daily Mail reader I dismiss everything he says by default). In this case though, it really does require you to read broadly to get out of your opinion bubble. The BBC is a perfect case study of this. It's got a charter that i…

I made up the word fanoogler thinking it didn't already exist.

I just googled it in case it already exists and has offensive overtones, and this turned up:

"To scam someone out of something they owe you but do not want to give you."

Deep, yo.

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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Post by hyperdunc »

jamespo wrote: post #103
hyperdunc wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You may be correct but surely you recognize that the left can just as easily be accused of the same bias you attribute to the right? The real problem is diverging narratives and very little constructive communication between. Both sides have very valid concerns that aren't understood by the other.

Equating Breitbart and the Guardian shows your bias I'm afraid. Something like the Huffington Post would have been a better comparison.

I didn't really equate them, I just used as them as examples since they'd both already been mentioned.

Also, don't you think that suggesting Breitbart is worse than the Guardian might point to your own bias?

The Guardian is designed to look less like a tabloid, which gives the appearance of it being more honest - but is it really a less biased source of news? It's very hard to judge such things.

I've been reading the Guardian for a long time and I've noticed it's been embracing some of the more unsavory elements of the left in recent years. Someone else might contend those elements are warranted.

The differences in news reporting today seems to come down to the values we prioritize and the narratives that push them.

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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Post by rubyn00bie »

This seems like the true reason, or end game, for AMP. It's a way to control the presentation and wall people in to prevent them from leaving Google.

I hate AMP and I'm pretty sure I'd hate this if I still used Google much. Especially if it's driven solely by algorithms and AI.

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