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Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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If only there was a system to create "feeds" of website entries (such as news sites), aggregate them, and then read them at our discretion. Then we could each create our own personal Google homepage. Google could brand such an offering as "Google reader" and "Google personalized homepage"... (For those who don't remember: these both used to be a thing!)

See but that gives you, the consumer, toouch control over what you see.

They don't want it to be your choice.

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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post #49

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Some weird reason duckduckgo usually gives worse search results than google.

Because they don’t track you so can’t make assumptions about what you want/mean. Trade offs.

I like what Google gives me in return for consuming my data, personally.

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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The "newsfeed" pattern is one of the worst ideas humanity has ever had. Never has it been so easy to manipulate public opinion at will. 10 years ago there was a such thing as standards in journalism. Now anypoliticalblog.com's headline has been promoted to the equal status of an actual news organisation by means of the implicit legitimacy of appearing in a news feed. This insanity has reached a crescendo with the off…

"Actual news organizations" don't exist in the sense we'd like. They're all agenda driven and constantly lie by omission. Breitbart is shamelessly pro-Trump. They will publish stories that others won't but also won't publish anything counter to their narrative. The Guardian, which someone else mentioned, is massively left-leaning and is also very selective about what they cover. Their articles are often poorly though…

I unfortunately and reluctantly am forced to agree with you. Except about Breitbart being legitimate (sorry, can't do it).

My dad explained this to me very crudely some years ago, (but as he's a Daily Mail reader I dismiss everything he says by default).

In this case though, it really does require you to read broadly to get out of your opinion bubble.

The BBC is a perfect case study of this. It's got a charter that is supposed to make it explicitly neutral, but of course that's unenforceable in reality (what's biased and not is going to be a matter of opinion), as evidenced by their approach anytime the question of the license fee comes up in public discourse.

There's probably money to be made by crawling a variety of news sources, throwing the output into an AI fanoogler, and using it to write a separate article that balances the views on the given topic as a separate news site.

Obviously I'll require majority equity. Fanoogler R&D isn't cheap you know.

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

#74

The "newsfeed" pattern is one of the worst ideas humanity has ever had. Never has it been so easy to manipulate public opinion at will. 10 years ago there was a such thing as standards in journalism. Now anypoliticalblog.com's headline has been promoted to the equal status of an actual news organisation by means of the implicit legitimacy of appearing in a news feed. This insanity has reached a crescendo with the off…

"Actual news organizations" don't exist in the sense we'd like. They're all agenda driven and constantly lie by omission. Breitbart is shamelessly pro-Trump. They will publish stories that others won't but also won't publish anything counter to their narrative. The Guardian, which someone else mentioned, is massively left-leaning and is also very selective about what they cover. Their articles are often poorly though…

Reuters maybe? They actively try for neutral coverage.

edit: But yeah, organizations of people with biases can't be perfectly neutral

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

#75
post #42

Who visits google.com anyway? I am pretty sure majority of those users who aren't interested in seeing these news are already using google search via browser address bar. Only those who go to google.com will see these news , and they seem to be an exact type of people who would enjoy such content and spend hours browsing it generating more revenue to google

Majority of regular users (who do not care or even know about any kind of online privacy, open web, net neutrality etc.) I interact with go to google.com, write down e.g. "facebook" and then log in! They don't even know they can use url bar for searching (let alone typing xyz.com directly). It makes my blood boil every time I see that. I try to explain, they usually just don't care to listen/understand. Coming from other thread about Firefox marketshare, it's mostly this kind of users that kill the open web and help billion-dollar walled-gardens prosper. There are billions of them.

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

#76
post #13

And it goes without saying that the news sources preferences will reflect those of Google's predominantly liberal top brass.

I suspect you're correct, despite any assurances to the contrary. And any bias might not even be by design but rather just a result of the biases of the people who make the feature.

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

#77
post #65

If only there was a system to create "feeds" of website entries (such as news sites), aggregate them, and then read them at our discretion. Then we could each create our own personal Google homepage. Google could brand such an offering as "Google reader" and "Google personalized homepage"... (For those who don't remember: these both used to be a thing!)

See but that gives you, the consumer, toouch control over what you see. They don't want it to be your choice.

Yea if they gave you the choice not screw yourself over, then you wouldn't be able to get screwed over by Google

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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Because they don’t track you so can’t make assumptions about what you want/mean. Trade offs.

I like what Google gives me in return for consuming my data, personally.

Perhaps your children and grand-children will be less thankful. Your data will stay around.

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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The "newsfeed" pattern is one of the worst ideas humanity has ever had. Never has it been so easy to manipulate public opinion at will. 10 years ago there was a such thing as standards in journalism. Now anypoliticalblog.com's headline has been promoted to the equal status of an actual news organisation by means of the implicit legitimacy of appearing in a news feed. This insanity has reached a crescendo with the off…

Not saying I like the current climate at all but TV stations and newspapers have always had their own bias and "newsfeed" so to speak. Is it really easier today than before to surround yourself with news that lacks credibility? There's always been junk newspapers and junk TV news channels.

People need to develop their own critical thinking skills and not rely on e.g. a specific newspaper they believe to have standards to do their thinking for them. I mean do you personally have an issue with identifying inaccurate news stories? If not, why not? People that want to believe obviously made up news are going to find some way to get their fix of news like that whether Google or Facebook filter it out for them or not.

Re: Google to add 'news feed' to website and app

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>Was there? Because last I checked all that these so called 'reputable' sources of news seem to put out is biased garbage full of misleading data and often blatant lies. The inculcation of this sentiment is precisely the effect I'm referring to. The waters have become so muddied with nonsense that no one can tell right from wrong anymore. And thus, actual news organizations with trained reporters and fact checkers an…

Is there a reason most of the MSM attacks Trump's credibility on a daily basis? The reasons are ratings and political ideology. They know that a lot of people hate Trump so they attack him. Any evidence of wrongdoing on Trump's part is merely a happy extra for the MSM. If Obama did the same things that Trump does, do you think the MSM would behave the same way? The MSM have cried wolf so many times that now half the…

I agree; the right-wing press lacks high quality journalists. Journalists seem to happen to lean left a whole lot more.
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