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$4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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One of the reasons why the Renault Kwid is $4000 is because, well, it uses cheap materials, and with that comes a very bad safety rating. This is enabled by India's nearly non-existent car safety regulations. Everything has a "price".

Traffic speed in cities is usually so bad that you will rarely if ever meet with a major accident using these cars. That doesn't mean that safety isn't important. It's just that we are not talking about 70mph American freeway speeds.

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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post #4

They mention using a single Indian supplier and designing for that supplier as an advantage. Where I work we wouldn't be allowed to do that - always want at least two different suppliers so we don't put ourselves at risk. Hope it works out for them - seems like a fun little car.

Also, the Takata airbag debacle affecting a variety of automakers but primarily Honda (1) is an example of how using a single supplier and developing relationships can be a bad plan.

1: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-honda-results-idUSKCN0Y40...

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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What Is Disruption, Anyway? ... In India, where the average wage remains a fraction of those in the first world, it starts with an affordable car that isn’t a complete piece of junk. 5 Paragraphs later: It would be the same price as the sector-leading Maruti Suzuki, but with more space. It would include a 7” infotainment system with a touchscreen. It would have real ground clearance. It would resemble a smaller versi…

Yeah, I don't understand how this is disruptive. Except for few improvements, this sounds very much like other cars in the market. The delivery process full of rituals is a standard practise in India, so that doesn't make Renault any different either.

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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post #15

This is something I've always wondered, why are even the cheapest cars (in the Western world) so expensive? Isn't it possible to make a new car under ~ $10,000?

$10,000 is a pretty arbitrary line to draw, such that we should consider anything above it "so expensive."

It'd probably be very easy to strip out the catalytic converter, airbags, ABS, no-stick upholstery, and a bunch of other modern stuff from a Toyota Yaris to get it below the $10k line. It wouldn't make a huge amount of sense, even if you didn't care about safety and emissions. A lot of that modern stuff (engine management! corrosion resistance!) is responsible for cars lasting so much longer than they used to, with relatively little maintenance required.

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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That ceremony looks monstrously tiring to an introverted westerner like me. I don't want to cut a cake and watch a priest bless my car; I want to walk onto a lot, look over the car I pre-selected online to make sure it's the right one, and then give someone some money and drive away. I'm also wondering how long that friendly attitude - and the traveling pop-up repair program - will last. Once everyone wants one of th…

That ceremony looks monstrously tiring to an introverted westerner like me.

Well, I guess it's a good thing the article isn't about westerners, let alone introverts...

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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That ceremony looks monstrously tiring to an introverted westerner like me. I don't want to cut a cake and watch a priest bless my car; I want to walk onto a lot, look over the car I pre-selected online to make sure it's the right one, and then give someone some money and drive away. I'm also wondering how long that friendly attitude - and the traveling pop-up repair program - will last. Once everyone wants one of th…

It's pretty common in India to take your new car to the temple and get it blessed.

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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post #50
post #16

One of the reasons why the Renault Kwid is $4000 is because, well, it uses cheap materials, and with that comes a very bad safety rating. This is enabled by India's nearly non-existent car safety regulations. Everything has a "price".

Ahhh safety, driving, and the developing world. Ugh. I haven't tested the hypothesis but I think the switch from mopeds to cars has resulted in a huge number of traffic fatalities. This was super evident in Thailand as it's quite clear that non tuk-tuk/rickshaw or motorcycle transport is a very new thing. There's an obliviousness to the fact that they're driving thousands of pounds of steel and nobody else on the roa…

the robots will be doing all the driving by then

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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post #37
post #16

One of the reasons why the Renault Kwid is $4000 is because, well, it uses cheap materials, and with that comes a very bad safety rating. This is enabled by India's nearly non-existent car safety regulations. Everything has a "price".

For those in that area that can't afford a safe, reliable car, perhaps it's a step up from a motorbike though. Not to mention, it allows for more passengers in the death trap.

Depends on top speed. If you moped never breaks 25mph then a car doing 50mph could easily be less safe. It's also much more dangerous to people around you.

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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post #39
post #16

One of the reasons why the Renault Kwid is $4000 is because, well, it uses cheap materials, and with that comes a very bad safety rating. This is enabled by India's nearly non-existent car safety regulations. Everything has a "price".

Although if the alternative is to be riding a moped, and in many cases without a helmet, this still represents a step forward in safety.

All moped drivers in cities wear helmets, only the passengers don't

Re: $4k Renault compared to Tesla Model 3

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post #61
post #16

One of the reasons why the Renault Kwid is $4000 is because, well, it uses cheap materials, and with that comes a very bad safety rating. This is enabled by India's nearly non-existent car safety regulations. Everything has a "price".

Traffic speed in cities is usually so bad that you will rarely if ever meet with a major accident using these cars. That doesn't mean that safety isn't important. It's just that we are not talking about 70mph American freeway speeds.

Traffic speed is not constrained on the brand new inter-city freeways being built in India, though. I had that experience as a passenger not too long ago, and the high speeds + Indian driving habits were ... exciting.
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