I'm in the market for an ATS. none of which offer anything for less than 100-300$ per month. That's more than what o spend on other core API.
Is there an ATS at the ~10$ price range ?
Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit
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Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit
#312Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't quite understand the idea of tax dodging a smaller tax bill by donating a larger amount of money? She had $150mm in stock, and donated it all, avoiding a tax bill of $30mm? If she had paid the tax bill, she would have had net $120mm, but after donating it, she had net $0mm? There must be something I'm missing here. I've seen these kinds of schemes discussed before, but don't understand how they would work.
TL;DR It looks like she donated $150MM when in actuality she only donated $37.5MM Can you imagine the optics of an active board member, of a multi-billion dollar company, profiting from said company -- she's on the board of -- buying the company she runs? Good grief that reeks. She understood she couldn't take that money in good conscience. So, she got out in front of the optics for a small fee by "donating to charit…
Isn't it how tax incentives work?
Effectively she donated a bunch of money to a charity instead of the federal tax fund. Hopefully the charity is more efficient!
Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit
#313Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's nice, but let's be honest: She is a billionaire, and will continue to make hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars during her future tenure at Google. A person of average means donating $500 may be a bigger personal sacrifice than Greene donating $150M.
I dont know why this is being down-voted. While what she did is great, it is a true point in terms of personal sacrifice. I saw an interview with Bill Gates where he said much the same thing to a comment about his generosity. He pointed out he doesn't sacrifice a single item/experience he wants in life giving away what he does. And a ordinary person that gives a few hundred gives up more than him in terms of what it…
As someone who used to give away hundreds when he was on the average wage, no, it didn't really cost me life experiences. When I was on less than the average wage, I never had hundreds to give away, but on the average wage (with no kids), a few hundred didn't make much difference.
Few people giving to charity actually sacrifice their own life experiences to do so. As a result, it seems silly to dismiss philanthropic billionaires. We want more of those, not fewer.
Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit
#314Earlier quoted context omitted.
>ever wonder why Siri doesn't work as well as Google Assistant for a lot of people? You have some valid points on your post, but praising the inferiority of software based on perceived limitations of increased security focus seems like Apple cult-of-personality type stuff.
I'm not sure I exactly follow, but anyway it's easy to find comments online from people who've worked at Apple recently who talk about how this is actually a logistical problem. Apple can't just throw data at their issues until things work like e.g. Google can, specifically because they do not collect as much data in the first place.
> as much
Ah, so they're the privacy option because they only collect a lot of data, not gobs and gobs of data?
Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit
#315Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Reserving the conversation around pricing until after you are in contact with a sales person is often helpful, because these products do have very different capabilities." Which you can easily list, with the prices next to them. Look, I have never, ever, ever found it more helpful to talk to a sales person than to see an actual price sheet. Never. If I don't like the price, but it's just outside my budget, I can cal…
Ah man, you've been so lucky (and unlucky). You know far more about your needs and are able to evaluate how well software would solve them, and the salespeople you've talked to haven't been worth the time....and that's not normal. You'd be shocked how bad most people are at evaluating software, especially when it's highly technical. Most people don't even know what a reasonable budget is, what their biggest problems…
> And a good salesperson is worth their weight in gold.
Yes, they absolutely are, for both the client and the company. But you have no way of knowing if $randomNewSaas you're looking at has good sales staff or not. A bad sales guy can screw both. Recently we've had an experience with one Name Brand Vendor where the sales guy is promising things that the company doesn't really deliver; for example, we purchased an old bundle at his suggestion and then get sent automated demands to reduce our capacity because we're in excess of what we pay for (even though it's within the capacity of the old bundle).
Good sales staff are excellent value-adders, but far from all sales staff are good.
Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit
#316I'm in the market for an ATS. none of which offer anything for less than 100-300$ per month. That's more than what o spend on other core API. Is there an ATS at the ~10$ price range ?
Well, we just released our own ATS add on to our HR package (I won't mention the link here in case it is considered self promotion spam, but it is in my bio).
When setting pricing for our ATS, our research showed that most systems with any level of sophistication was around $8 per employee per month, which is incidentally what our pricing is.
So a small company with 10 employees can use it for $80/mo, but a larger one will go up commensurately.
When you consider though, that this pricing is less than 0.1% of your total monthly wage bill, then it sort of puts things in perspective.
Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit
#317Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't quite understand the idea of tax dodging a smaller tax bill by donating a larger amount of money? She had $150mm in stock, and donated it all, avoiding a tax bill of $30mm? If she had paid the tax bill, she would have had net $120mm, but after donating it, she had net $0mm? There must be something I'm missing here. I've seen these kinds of schemes discussed before, but don't understand how they would work.
TL;DR It looks like she donated $150MM when in actuality she only donated $37.5MM Can you imagine the optics of an active board member, of a multi-billion dollar company, profiting from said company -- she's on the board of -- buying the company she runs? Good grief that reeks. She understood she couldn't take that money in good conscience. So, she got out in front of the optics for a small fee by "donating to charit…
> Which means, in any year, she can take $150MM in income taxed at say 55%, and pay $0 in taxes on it.
55% is greater than the maximum combined federal and state marginal income tax rate on normal income, and no one making that much does it as normal (mainly, labor) rather than long-term capital gains (which pays lower rates) income in the first place, because no one pays that kind of money for labor, you only make it by capital returns, so, no, she can't even in principal, and even if the tax rates were such that she could in principal, she still wouldn't be likely to be able to in practice.
Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit
#318Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's nice, but let's be honest: She is a billionaire, and will continue to make hundreds of millions, if not billions of dollars during her future tenure at Google. A person of average means donating $500 may be a bigger personal sacrifice than Greene donating $150M.
oh_sigh, oh, sigh .
Perhaps you can guess the meaning behind my username here.
Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit
#319Will this mean that you can't get a job without a Google account?
Re: Google launches Hire, a new service for helping businesses recruit
#320I'm in the market for an ATS. none of which offer anything for less than 100-300$ per month. That's more than what o spend on other core API. Is there an ATS at the ~10$ price range ?
Well, we just released our own ATS add on to our HR package (I won't mention the link here in case it is considered self promotion spam, but it is in my bio). When setting pricing for our ATS, our research showed that most systems with any level of sophistication was around $8 per employee per month, which is incidentally what our pricing is. So a small company with 10 employees can use it for $80/mo, but a larger on…
that's a decent pricing. Which one is your ATS: hrpartner ? Because I didnt understand that it had an ATS.
P.S. prepend "shameless plug" to your shameless plug. But do show us your stuff. All the early startups got their customers on HN ;)