Remember when Sanders proposed a small fee on every trade on Wall Street to discourage high frequency trading and to recoup some value from the market? Remember how he was widely pronounced deranged for suggesting that there should be a fee associated with trades? How it would destroy the market? Funny, that.
I suspect this debate was/is largely conducted by uninformed parties. There already is a small fee imposed on every trade due to gov't regulation. https://www.sec.gov/fast-answers/answerssec31htm.html At best, there could be a meaningful debate over increasing the appropriation to the SEC and adding new regulation mandates for them. The question over whether we should have transaction fees should already be settled b…
Wall Street Profits by Putting Investors in the Slow Lane
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#103> IEX has a speed bump that prevents high-frequency traders from front-running ordinary investors. Anyone care to explain, in precise terms, how a high-frequency trader front-runs ordinary investors on a typical exchange and how putting a delay on all incoming orders prevents it?
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Before you start talking about what would be effective in reducing the amount of high frequency trading you have to make the case that reducing HFT is a good goal in the first place. This is a challenging case to make.
http://www.thebigquestions.com/2014/04/21/high-frequency-ren... This seems pretty convincing to me. The argument is that, based on the amount that firms are willing to spend on fiberoptic cables to perform hft, they put an extremely high value on hft. On the other hand, reasonable back-of-the-envelope calculations show that the social benefit of making the trade slightly faster are much less than the private cost. Th…
Here is Vanguard's CEO on the topic:
http://www.cnbc.com/2014/04/25/vanguard-chief-defends-high-f...
That blog post also makes a mistake of claiming that the advantage of these sorts of fiber optic cables is to let people complete their trades faster. That is not the case. They enable people to execute their trades at better prices. The way he is looking at this issue is almost silly.
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Hint: If you can't see the orders during that minute, it doesn't matter when you submit...
Of course it does. A trader (not an investor) is incentivized to wait to the last possible moment when he can still expect a fill. This is why exchanges disseminate auction imbalance information, to attract people to the auction prior to its completion.
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#107Remember when Sanders proposed a small fee on every trade on Wall Street to discourage high frequency trading and to recoup some value from the market? Remember how he was widely pronounced deranged for suggesting that there should be a fee associated with trades? How it would destroy the market? Funny, that.
Sanders lacks fundamental understanding of the stock market, indicated by his unsubstantiated refrain "the business model of Wall Street is fraud." First, there are already per-trade regulatory fees, so this isn't a novel idea. Second, this is necessarily a regressive tax: wider spreads mean worse prices for the ultimate owner of stocks; that tax is applied whether trades are retail (you and me), institutional (big W…
You're putting your own ideas into his mouth. Nobody said anything about the fee being a flat fee, or that it would apply to every single trade in existence.
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#108I think this is well known. The real problem is that the traders are much smarter than the regulators, and their ability to obscure far exceeds the regulators' ability to untangle. Incentivise your regulators better and you might end up attracting some real talent who can unearth the tricks the crafty traders pull every day (I am an ex trader, from a bulge bracket IB, and trust me, what some of these guys do is not a…
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Source is I work in the industry. Look at the price of VirtuFinancial stock, who was at one time a premier HFT firm. The amount of disinformation surrounding HFT is staggering.
Unrelated, but I have a question for you. I've been unable to find a good answer for how exactly HFT benefits the average person. Stuff like antibiotics, electric lights, refrigeration, washing machines, phones, computers all have all led to direct and immediate quality of life improvements. Often on the order of a tenfold improvement for that activity, and they are easily within reach of the majority of the populati…
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#110Remember when Sanders proposed a small fee on every trade on Wall Street to discourage high frequency trading and to recoup some value from the market? Remember how he was widely pronounced deranged for suggesting that there should be a fee associated with trades? How it would destroy the market? Funny, that.
I've always thought a better solution would be a voluntary market "quantization" at some reasonable human-scale time frame. It would be a little random (to avoid gaming), so all put and asks get resolved "about every hour". There would probably have to be a law to prevent people from running markets at faster time-scales on top of this.